Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[SweetasSoda]

I am going to admit that the two Bama QBs have softened my hate for their program. I am
Not afraid to say I love what both of those guys stand for on and off the field

And didn't Hurts go to the special needs prom last year?..... Hate not being able to hate them.

 

[Smokey123]

Here’s there’s starters (not sure how he came up with the stars)

 

[nicksjuzunk]

There is hatred for an institution that is impersonal

Then there is hatred for players
Personally I draw a very clear line for myself. I hate Alabama with great disdain, but will not categorically extend that to a wide body of individuals based on their affiliation. Some players are dirtbags, others are outstanding individuals

Personally, I regard Hurts and Tag highly... and still hate me some Bama

 

[Smokey123]

Oline is definitely undersized. Defense looks about right. Would be interesting to see their 40 times and bench/squat

 

[volsagain]

I think Pruitt's statements could have been partially for recruiting. He's telling recruits that the 25 guys coming in are the kind of guys he wants on the field next year. And he's putting some of the current guys on notice. The players were commenting on it, so it must be obvious to the team who's not performing at the level expected.

Exactly this. Think it's great for recruiting.

 

[drvenner]

You in y10?

My brother-in-law got tickets for the Bama game and that is where we sat.

 

[drvenner]

I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.

I don't think he is trying to get guys to quit. I think he is just playing his system and philosophy and not compromising.

 

[vol2002]

I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.

Pruitt’s approach may fail and we may be firing him in 3 to 5 years, and starting another 3 to 5 year rebuild, delaying relevance until sometime in the late 2020s at the earliest, and forever tarnishing our all time records such that there is no more argument we are a top 10ish all time program, etc. I accepted that possibility long ago when the coaching search fell to pieces and we whiffed on everyone who was anyone.

But for today he’s all we got. And I’ve enjoyed his brand of ball and he’s got a very quality win against Auburn already. So I’m all in and will support whatever he thinks will work to get us back.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

 

[DD4ME]

USC will be the litmus test for the rest of this season. I also think it will be indicative of what we can expect from Pruitt's coaching. We have equal or superior talent to them, and I challenge anyone to show me otherwise. I believe we have the better D coordinator. Many say we play better on the road, not sure if true, but whatever.
Yes they had a bye but we just got our lunch money stolen and then dad laughed at us and told us it was because we were soft and to toughen up.


I expect our team to be playing with some mean.

 

[tbones0711]

Health could lead to Urban Meyer's exit, Paul Finebaum says

So, if Urban leaves Ohio State as he did Florida, I wonder who they go after?

jeremy pruitt, kirby smart, and nick saban would be my top 3. They have deep pockets so no telling.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

The replays have been that way all year. I have season tickets and they probably average 10 replays a game. Its pathetic.

It really is terrible. They used to show every replay immediately after the play was over. Sometimes twice. That’s the way it should be.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I think Pruitt's statements could have been partially for recruiting. He's telling recruits that the 25 guys coming in are the kind of guys he wants on the field next year. And he's putting some of the current guys on notice. The players were commenting on it, so it must be obvious to the team who's not performing at the level expected.

I bet watching film with Pruitt is a hoot.

 

[rekinhavoc]

There is hatred for an institution that is impersonal

Then there is hatred for players
Personally I draw a very clear line for myself. I hate Alabama with great disdain, but will not categorically extend that to a wide body of individuals based on their affiliation. Some interns are dirtbags, others are outstanding individuals

Personally, I regard Hurts and Tag highly... and still hate me some Bama

fify

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

USC will be the litmus test for the rest of this season. I also think it will be indicative of what we can expect from Pruitt's coaching. We have equal or superior talent to them, and I challenge anyone to show me otherwise. I believe we have the better D coordinator. Many say we play better on the road, not sure if true, but whatever.
Yes they had a bye but we just got our lunch money stolen and then dad laughed at us and told us it was because we were soft and to toughen up.


I expect our team to be playing with some mean.

Don’t get sucked in too far on thinking we have more talent. We have talented players but they have better depth than we do. We will be a significant underdog for a reason - our roster is very thin.

 

[tbones0711]

He's from the state the school resides in. And we all know no good players come from that state

It just seems that way. Guy is a baller and has been committed for awhile. We need these types like Carvin who are playing a year early because of necessity. Most could use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the scheme.

 

[rekinhavoc]

jeremy pruitt, kirby smart, and nick saban would be my top 3. They have deep pockets so no telling.

It's gotta be Schiano . Remember he is the gold standard for coordinators ready for a head coaching gig.

 

[tbones0711]

It’s tough to compare teams between eras.

Multiple people have commented about how big and roided up that Nebraska team is but a team like Alabama of Georgia would dwarf that 95 squad. I’m sure they were big for mid-90s football but the athletes today are simply much bigger, faster, and stronger.

Teams back then were tougher and had less injuries or played through them. That can be said the further back you go.

 

[tbones0711]

It's gotta be Schiano . Remember he is the gold standard for coordinators ready for a head coaching gig.

He'll be gone in 3 years if they even consider him.

 

[DD4ME]

Don’t get sucked in too far on thinking we have more talent. We have talented players but they have better depth than we do. We will be a significant underdog for a reason - our roster is very thin.

I am not sucked into anything really, but I believe we have enough talent to compete with USC. We will see though.

 

[HankHill]

I know the rivalry doesn’t have the historical merit but ever since muschamp got af SC... they may be my most hated conference foe. Least shocking story all year was muschsmlp coming to the defense of DJ durkin for the culture he created at Maryland

 

[JCP201]

I know the rivalry doesn’t have the historical merit but ever since muschamp got af SC... they may be my most hated conference foe. Least shocking story all year was muschsmlp coming to the defense of DJ durkin for the culture he created at Maryland

I am with you... I would love to beat one of this @sswipe's teams.

 

[DD4ME]

I agree, but I stand behind the statement

Snell accounts for 38% of the offense and Kentucky averages 127 yards passing per game.

You are probably right. I just didn't want to see a host of KY bashing. Their entire d line was picked as the mid-season group by SEC network.

 

[DD4ME]

Mixed feelings on the last part there. Obviously we've gotta land some studs to get back to being a powerhouse, but we've gotta get back to being competitive every week first.

I think it's possible to field nationally relevant teams every year if you're recruiting top 15. Just like we Butch was top 7 two years in a row and couldn't do s*** with it. The really important thing, IMO, is making sure the large majority of guys you're landing can be developed. Plus, recruiting rankings can be wonky sometimes. Clemson has landed a few really small classes the past 4-5 years that were ranked 10-15 but were 2nd or 3rd in the country in average recruit ranking.


Assuming we can land Wright I like the way our class is shaping up so far, considering where the program is at the moment. My only big concern is that I think we really need at least one instant impact type interior DL and I'm not sure we've got one of those.

Can agree. But when your coach is comparing sidelines with Bama he is comparing a roster full of 5* studs not some 3* coachable guys. We can definitely take a small highly ranked class but, our coach said publicly we will take Max even with just 4 seniors.

 

[SugarCC]

USC will be the litmus test for the rest of this season. I also think it will be indicative of what we can expect from Pruitt's coaching. We have equal or superior talent to them, and I challenge anyone to show me otherwise. I believe we have the better D coordinator. Many say we play better on the road, not sure if true, but whatever.
Yes they had a bye but we just got our lunch money stolen and then dad laughed at us and told us it was because we were soft and to toughen up.


I expect our team to be playing with some mean.

If you think our OL is equal or superior to ANYONE, maybe you should challenge yourself to see otherwise.