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vol2002 said:
We may lose every remaining SEC game like the FPI says, but I really doubt it. Again, Pruitt hasn’t been coaching for moral victories and so our stats and final outcomes are skewed by the multiple failed onside kicks, the fact we went for two several times at Georgia and failed, the failed goal line defense at the 40 yard line against Florida, etc. Of course the computers think we completely stink.

By the eye test though I think we have enough to scrape together 3 more wins, and maybe more. I’m guessing our pass protection and running game look better down stretch because of who we will be playing.
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One of these days that onside kick will work and it will be glorious.
 
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I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.
 
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DD4ME said:
He said the numbers more than once so he clearly had only a handful of legit starters in mind. Otherwise just saw we had several.. to specifically say 7 and 5 is pretty cut to the bone specific.
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That's what I was thinking. Sounded like a comment he'd made behind closed doors or in the film room or coaches meetings before.
 
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#32,982
Darth_Shiveman said:
That's what I was thinking. Sounded like a comment he'd made behind closed doors or in the film room or coaches meetings before.
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Yeah it rolled off the tongue like he's Santa with the naughty list. It's cool if he can back it up and bring in these players he's got in mind. Landing the 15th ranked class isn't going to get it done though.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Snell is finally getting banged up.

Not sure what it is, but he is listed as “probable” for this week. I wonder how those 18 passing yards will do when he is limited or out in future games

Kentucky pixie dust is running on borrowed time.
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Kentucky is a solidly good football team. All good teams need great players, Snell is theirs. They may drop off without Snell but that doesn't take away what they have done and that their good in multiple areas.
 
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DD4ME said:
I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.
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Good post.

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I think Pruitt's statements could have been partially for recruiting. He's telling recruits that the 25 guys coming in are the kind of guys he wants on the field next year. And he's putting some of the current guys on notice. The players were commenting on it, so it must be obvious to the team who's not performing at the level expected.
 
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vol2002 said:
If someone brought the ‘95 Nebraska team through a time portal, stuffed them in Jerry World to play the Tide and spotted them 3 TDs, I’d still take this Tua-led Bama team to beat them by 30 plus. I really do think this is the best team ever. Time will tell though.
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No way. That’s ridiculous.

You couldn’t spot that Nebraska run game 3 tds and even win the game. Much less by 30.
 
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DD4ME said:
Kentucky is a solidly good football team. All good teams need great players, Snell is theirs. They may drop off without Snell but that doesn't take away what they have done and that their good in multiple areas.
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I agree, but I stand behind the statement

Snell accounts for 38% of the offense and Kentucky averages 127 yards passing per game.
 
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DD4ME said:
I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.
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Brian Rice and Erik Ainge were talking about Rick Barnes doing it his way from the beginning, even though it probably cost them a couple of games his first year coaching here. Part of it was culture change. We know how it has worked for him.
Hopefully, Coach Pruitt will have a similar path to success.
 
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DD4ME said:
Yeah it rolled off the tongue like he's Santa with the naughty list. It's cool if he can back it up and bring in these players he's got in mind. Landing the 15th ranked class isn't going to get it done though.
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Mixed feelings on the last part there. Obviously we've gotta land some studs to get back to being a powerhouse, but we've gotta get back to being competitive every week first.

I think it's possible to field nationally relevant teams every year if you're recruiting top 15. Just like we Butch was top 7 two years in a row and couldn't do s*** with it. The really important thing, IMO, is making sure the large majority of guys you're landing can be developed. Plus, recruiting rankings can be wonky sometimes. Clemson has landed a few really small classes the past 4-5 years that were ranked 10-15 but were 2nd or 3rd in the country in average recruit ranking.


Assuming we can land Wright I like the way our class is shaping up so far, considering where the program is at the moment. My only big concern is that I think we really need at least one instant impact type interior DL and I'm not sure we've got one of those.
 
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It’s tough to compare teams between eras.

Multiple people have commented about how big and roided up that Nebraska team is but a team like Alabama of Georgia would dwarf that 95 squad. I’m sure they were big for mid-90s football but the athletes today are simply much bigger, faster, and stronger.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
It’s tough to compare teams between eras.

Multiple people have commented about how big and roided up that Nebraska team is but a team like Alabama of Georgia would dwarf that 95 squad. I’m sure they were big for mid-90s football but the athletes today are simply much bigger, faster, and stronger.
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Dont tell old and former basketball players that...
 
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DD4ME said:
I have a theory that I think will be somewhat unpopular. I think Pruitt doesn't really specifically care about total wins or bowls this season. I think he wants to win, but I think he is going to force these kids to play his brand of ball all season as a tryout for who he will replace. I don't think he will put them in ridiculous positions but I don't think he will play to their strengths specifically either.

My examples include running up the gut on multiple 4th and 1's in multiple games when there is literally zero to indicate it will be successful. Sticking our guys in man against one of the most prolific offenses in the game. Then specifically saying in post game that we don't have the horses to play man but that's how you should play them. In no uncertain terms stating that about 12 guys on your team are legit SEC players.

Pros (from Pruitt's perspective)
Sets expectations, culture, and identity

Gets guys to quit to make room

Sets bar low for progress (ex: gain one short yardage 1st down)

Pressure to step up or step out should create iron sharpens iron philosophy

Potential downsides
Could cost us a win here or there by playing too rigid (we did at least throw on 1st down against Bama)

Could drive guys to quit/transfer in higher numbers than he can actually fill

Could disengage some good players that we'll need to compete this year and next

Could create culture where guys are playing tight instead of loose and backfire culturally


My 2 cents
Butch catered to some players which lead to bad chemistry and morale.
Pruitt seems to be running at mach 3 to the other Gaurd rail. I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.
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I think this is 100% correct. Good post.
 
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