The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

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NEVolFan said:
A lot of JG fans are enamored with his cage match toughness, he has that in spades. But in the SEC no QB should expect 4-5-6 secs to decide where to throw the ball. That is JGs weakness, was last year and is again showing itself this year.
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A lot of his throws, I’m sure he would have been happy with 2 seconds.
 
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majic73 said:
An example tonight . JG has stacked receivers on the left. Two corners near the line. The safety creeps down to 7 or 8 yards from the line - receivers. This is the tip that a corner blitz is coming. It could be a fake blitz. So the QB should audible a hot route and make the blitz work for him. Something safe , like the low receiver in the stack runs a slant. He will be uncovered. A blitz is an opportunity to a solid signal caller. Jeff Fisher almost refused to blitz Peyton. Instead of taking advantage of the blitz and attacking it ....nothing was done. and the play was blown up .

This is not an indictment of JG . I am pleased with his progress. He doesn't understand coverage . There are a hundred other examples. This ability alone would be a massive improvement
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I know the play you are referencing. It was a 5 rusher 5 blocker situation. Unless the ol blows an assessment or throws a look out block, qb should be able to read a route before hitting a check down. That situation calls for a 3 second release, but in the first quarter the ol was not up to the job.
 
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NEVolFan said:
A lot of JG fans are enamored with his cage match toughness, he has that in spades. But in the SEC no QB should expect 4-5-6 secs to decide where to throw the ball. That is JGs weakness, was last year and is again showing itself this year.
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Yeah Tua clearly didnt have 4-6 seconds to throw the ball right? Oh wait, he did. On multiple drives Tua could just sit back there and pick his targets. JG was getting killed. The hits finally got to him unfortunately.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The correct spot was to throw it was away from any defender that could intercept it aka out of bounds. Can’t believe there is a whole back and forth about it.
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You are correct that it was a throwaway. Abingdon is incorrect that it was a catchable ball.
 
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I'm not a JG hater but I don't think the team rallies around him. Player of the week last week, but the wr's made quite a few great catches.

I really think the issue with JG is his mentality and his immaturity. Especially the immaturity. Everyone knows how he pouted on the sideline last year when he wasn't starter.

Everyone knows he cannot read a defense. He consistently looks confused during plays and on the sideline. He seems to lack leadership on the field and perhaps off the field. It seems like he's more worried about his stats than winning (which again, I blame on his lack of maturity.) If he's really as immature as we see on the field he might also be off the field and perhaps it's affecting the rest of the team? I just don't see leadership qualities in him.

The kid is tough and I hope he's ok. I don't think he is SEC caliber yet and I'm not sure he ever will be unless he finally realizes football is a mental game just as much as a physical one...
 
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Bubbs said:
I Agree. Keller is the more Mature QB and I think his understanding of the game and his experience allows him to make quicker decisions. That matters, especially if your o line sucks. JG has always taken way too long to make decisions and honestly that is what caused that sack and fumble. Not the o line. JG just doesn’t have the cerebral part of the game. He doesn’t lift the team up when ***** going bad. He has a slightly stronger arm. That’s it. Start Keller.
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He's definitely gotta get better at all those things, but IIRC on that sack/fumble we had enough guys on that side to pick up the blitz. It was kind of hard to tell there whether JG didn't see it coming or just trusted his protection too much.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I do think after this game, the QB situation is very, very murky. JG could have lost his starting job.
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I've always been, and always will be, a fan of whoever is taking snaps for us. I absolutely believe JG has a better arm, and probably talent. I don't get why Vs Florida and today he's lost, but KC comes in and both games puts up points. Last week was career day, but his only conference win. Is it like some have mentioned, he doesn't gel with the team, yet lights out in practice? I'm legit confused about the whole thing. I sincerely hope he's okay though.
 
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joevol33 said:
I've always been, and always will be, a fan of whoever is taking snaps for us. I absolutely believe JG has a better arm, and probably talent. I don't get why Vs Florida and today he's lost, but KC comes in and both games puts up points. Last week was career day, but his only conference win. Is it like some have mentioned, he doesn't gel with the team, yet lights out in practice? I'm legit confused about the whole thing. I sincerely hope he's okay though.
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If KC is the man, then fine by me. I want the best guy on the field. It wouldnt have mattered if KC would have started. We still would have gotten blown out. KC looked good.

Its going to be interesting.i
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
He's definitely gotta get better at all those things, but IIRC on that sack/fumble we had enough guys on that side to pick up the blitz. It was kind of hard to tell there whether JG didn't see it coming or just trusted his protection too much.
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When everyone calls out how bad our o-line is, how in the world is JG not aware of this simple fact?

"Obvious blitz coming from left, the tackles and guards aren't the best, I should move out of the pocket a bit away from them to try to give my wr's a bit more time to run their route and get open" isn't rocket science.

Yet instead the "dual threat" QB stands like a statue. Yeah he ran like once on a passing play when the o-line made a gap in the middle. What about all the times we see him just stand in one place? Knowing your o-line isn't the best?

Someone a few weeks ago posted his dad pushed for him to get labeled as dual threat to boost his chances of going to a big school. Maybe this is part of the underlying issue.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
And out come the JG haters. Right on cue. Lol.
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I doubt anyone in this thread at least, hates JG. A pox on them if they do. Fact is KC is more experienced. He's never faced Bama before and did what JG couldn't, threw not one but two TD passes. Seems he manages to get sacked less. I think at the very least he should be given either some games to play through or some halfs. My bet says we'd win more as a result. I don't doubt that with a better OL JG would be very productive. We don't have one and KC appears to handle that reality better than JG.
 
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VolsLady-in-FL said:
I'm not a JG hater but I don't think the team rallies around him. Player of the week last week, but the wr's made quite a few great catches.

I really think the issue with JG is his mentality and his immaturity. Especially the immaturity. Everyone knows how he pouted on the sideline last year when he wasn't starter.

Everyone knows he cannot read a defense. He consistently looks confused during plays and on the sideline. He seems to lack leadership on the field and perhaps off the field. It seems like he's more worried about his stats than winning (which again, I blame on his lack of maturity.) If he's really as immature as we see on the field he might also be off the field and perhaps it's affecting the rest of the team? I just don't see leadership qualities in him.

The kid is tough and I hope he's ok. I don't think he is SEC caliber yet and I'm not sure he ever will be unless he finally realizes football is a mental game just as much as a physical one...
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Very good point... those 50/50 balls were caught by TN receivers because of their superior skills... passes were just in the area and the best man won out on the catch.
 
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I dont want to badmouth either of them.

I will admit that I always thought Chryst was the guy but Guarantano had played very well this year until we ran into Alabama.

I bet that happens to a lot of QBs.

Im not always right but it looks to me like we have 2 very capable QBs with a fine prospect waiting in the wings in Shrout.

We need a lot of pieces to get where we want to be but QB looks to be in much better shape than most other areas.

I dont care who plays as long as they win at least 3 out of the next 5.
 
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37620VOL said:
I know the play you are referencing. It was a 5 rusher 5 blocker situation. Unless the ol blows an assessment or throws a look out block, qb should be able to read a route before hitting a check down. That situation calls for a 3 second release, but in the first quarter the ol was not up to the job.
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You may be right ...but a QB see a free release blitz pre-snap . He can't stand there and wait for routes to develop. He either has to go hot or get to a run at the very least . That seems to be a huge problem. Maybe he does not have the freedom to check out . I have seen runs go right into an obvious pre-snap interior blitz or I have seen safeties dropping into the box on obvious passing downs and he is still holding the ball looking at downfield to develop. He could have went hot pre-snap , the under receiver would be uncovered on a corner blitz , so a slant would go for a second. Either he doesn't know how or is not allowed.
 
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If Chryst was a junior would the QB position be more contested? Would JG still have the starting job? Or are we just throwing JG in there to give him experience for the next few years despite the fact we're probably going to get a new QB anyways? Do you really see JG being a senior and going to the NFL?

Right now it appears JG has a slightly better arm, kid is tough, but immature and it affects his gameplay, and he lacks the ability to read defenses and make on-the-spot decisions.

KC is more mature, possibly leadership quality- which matters. Slightly less arm strength but I'd think just as mobile as JG (because JG hasn't shown true signs of being dual threat, sorry).
 
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VolsLady-in-FL said:
If Chryst was a junior would the QB position be more contested? Would JG still have the starting job? Or are we just throwing JG in there to give him experience for the next few years despite the fact we're probably going to get a new QB anyways? Do you really see JG being a senior and going to the NFL?

Right now it appears JG has a slightly better arm, kid is tough, but immature and it affects his gameplay, and he lacks the ability to read defenses and make on-the-spot decisions.

KC is more mature, possibly leadership quality- which matters. Slightly less arm strength but I'd think just as mobile as JG (because JG hasn't shown true signs of being dual threat, sorry).
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I think you are dead on. I think JG is the guy for next season and much of this season has been looked at as a learning season. It has been said by many that JG has the locker room. CJP probably needs that to win over the team and get 'buy in' , which he seems to have done very well. KC seems to be well ahead of JG , and that makes sense considering his experience level. He is probably not so much better that he would help us win games at the top of our schedule....the big dogs. The question that matter now , is JG good enough to get us three more wins ? I think he is . If he does that , none of this matters . Go Vols
 
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