The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

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Darth_Shiveman said:
So if you don't have time to make a throw, it's on the WR if your pass if 5 yards behind him? WRs run the routes they're told to run. The QB has to know where the WR is gonna be and get a catchable ball to that spot. This argument is beyond silly.


As for whether this play would be counted against him or not, we can't really tell without knowing the playcall. Either the pass was too far behind Callaway, Callaway ran the wrong route, or KC thought Callaway was running a shallower route and he threw it to the wrong spot. Given that he was pressured, the first of those seems like the most likely explanation. Maybe Pruitt will give some insight in his show tomorrow.
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You do realize y’all are arguing about a play that was a dead throw away to avoid a sack and to avoid a turnover by forcing a throw. My goodness, there was an unblocked defender rushing to him. He threw the ball away like he should have. He wasn’t trying to make a completion to Callaway. There’s no way he could have. Callaway was in double coverage. Sometimes you have to just throw away a down because the defense was perfect. Can’t believe y’all are arguing this. Erik Ainge made his career on doing exactly this.

What happens if he takes a sack? Y’all blast the kid for not feeling the pocket or reading the defense. What happens if he tried to force the throw into double coverage and it’s a pick? Y’all will be screaming for him to throw it away.

My goodness you people have lost your minds if you can’t understand why the throw away was THE PLAY to make there.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You do realize y’all are arguing about a play that was a dead throw away to avoid a sack and to avoid a turnover by forcing a throw. My goodness, there was an unblocked defender rushing to him. He threw the ball away like he should have. He wasn’t trying to make a completion to Callaway. There’s no way he could have. Callaway was in double coverage. Sometimes you have to just throw away a down because the defense was perfect. Can’t believe y’all are arguing this. Erik Ainge made his career on doing exactly this.

What happens if he takes a sack? Y’all blast the kid for not feeling the pocket or reading the defense. What happens if he tried to force the throw into double coverage and it’s a pick? Y’all will be screaming for him to throw it away.

My goodness you people have lost your minds if you can’t understand why the throw away was THE PLAY to make there.
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That was kind of what I was thinking on that throw. It was either a smart throw away or a terrible throw.

But it was not a "good ball thrown to the correct spot" lol
 
#328
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That was kind of what I was thinking on that throw. It was either a smart throw away or a terrible throw.

But it was not a "good ball thrown to the correct spot" lol
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The correct spot was to throw it was away from any defender that could intercept it aka out of bounds. Can’t believe there is a whole back and forth about it.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
So if you don't have time to make a throw, it's on the WR if your pass if 5 yards behind him? WRs run the routes they're told to run. The QB has to know where the WR is gonna be and get a catchable ball to that spot. This argument is beyond silly.


As for whether this play would be counted against him or not, we can't really tell without knowing the playcall. Either the pass was too far behind Callaway, Callaway ran the wrong route, or KC thought Callaway was running a shallower route and he threw it to the wrong spot. Given that he was pressured, the first of those seems like the most likely explanation. Maybe Pruitt will give some insight in his show tomorrow.
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I did not say it is the receiver's fault. I stated if he had looked back sooner then there was a good chance for a completion. Regarding your statement about WR's running routes they are supposed to is not true. Most offenses have the receivers run variable routes based on the coverages and blitzes as a signficant part of their playbook.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I did not say it is the receiver's fault. I stated if he had looked back sooner then there was a good chance for a completion. Regarding your statement about WR's running routes they are supposed to is not true. Most offenses have the receivers run variable routes based on the coverages and blitzes as a signficant part of their playbook.
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lol and how many offenses have variable routes where WRs are supposed to adjust to balls thrown out of bounds to avoid a sack?
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
lol and how many offenses have variable routes where WRs are supposed to adjust to balls thrown out of bounds to avoid a sack?
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I'll have to look at the play again but seeing it for the first time if Calloway cuts off his route and stops when the ball is thrown there is a good chance a positive play occurs. I will be back for Round 2 tomorrow but I'm going to check out Netflix "Haunting on Hill House" now. I hear it is a topnotch series. There is a little more to life than UT football.
 
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robtom said:
Just watch the interaction with he and his teammates......ZERO,
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Some want to claim he is the team leader... HUH? I see no leadership out of him at all. JG is not the QB to lead this team. That spot is up for grabs and we will limp through the year with the debate about KC or JG. Next year... opportunity is there for a young gun to step it up and take the role.
 
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I've been in the JG corner from the beginning mainly because I hadn't seen KC play much. Today totally changed my mind after seeing KC's performance in one game (against the semi-pro team) and after watching JG for weeks. Sure JG had a terrific game last week but let's be honest, he accurately put up 5-7 jump balls that our WRs simply took away from Auburn. He could have easily incompleted all those passes or thrown a couple of pics.

JG is very tough and does not throw interceptions BUT he seems incapable of making quick decisions and apparently has no idea when a defense might blitz or where it might come from. The fact that he is tough does not mean he should stand there like a statue when 99% of all other QBs would see the obvious player bearing down on him. I mean the blind side killer sack shouldn't happen over and over every game. The OL is bad and he makes them look worse. KC came into the game today and actually managed all that so much better. Injury or not he needs to be the starter moving forward.
 
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1Big_Orange_Fan said:
I've been in the JG corner from the beginning mainly because I hadn't seen KC play much. Today totally changed my mind after seeing KC's performance in one game (against the semi-pro team) and after watching JG for weeks. Sure JG had a terrific game last week but let's be honest, he accurately put up 5-7 jump balls that our WRs simply took away from Auburn. He could have easily incompleted all those passes or thrown a couple of pics.

JG is very tough and does not throw interceptions BUT he seems incapable of making quick decisions and apparently has no idea when a defense might blitz or where it might come from. The fact that he is tough does not mean he should stand there like a statue when 99% of all other QBs would see the obvious player bearing down on him. I mean the blind side killer sack shouldn't happen over and over every game. The OL is bad and he makes them look worse. KC came into the game today and actually managed all that so much better. Injury or not he needs to be the starter moving forward.
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Amen I supported JG against all the haters for several weeks but today I changed my mind. Night vs Day when Chryst came into the ball game.
 
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#336
JG should go ahead and get hurt just for this reason: YOU CANNOT HOLD ON TO THE BALL FOREVER IN THE SEC!!!

Kid has killed us for two seasons pullng his I'll hold on to the ball forever "*&it".

I'm over it. We have a crap line, we are playing the #1 team of all-time...and JG still thinks he has an ALL-PRO line in front of him? Enough...CMON JG, use your damned head, son.

1/2 of this QB game is being intlelligent enough to know what situation you are in. He clearly doesn't get it, and is willing time and time again, to take a sack and a fumble for an obvious score RATHER than playing smart and just throwing it away. I think his immaturity after three seasons is never going to change.

Time for this kid to either stay hurt and learn what his mistakes are, or get another reprieve, and START LEARNING THE POSITION.
 
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That first drive was 100% on JG. It's false and frankly lazy to blame everything on the OL. The OL owes the QB and their teammates their best effort, but the QB owes their teammates the same. No reason on Earth JG shouldn't have seen that blitz coming, but he clearly had no clue.

Having a cannon arm is not enough. He's simply not a complete SEC QB right now. And we really haven't seen any indication that he's capable of growing in that area.

That said, Helton et al have some explanation to give for why they went back to that personal package after last week's success.
 
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Vol Kilmer said:
JG should go ahead and get hurt just for this reason: YOU CANNOT HOLD ON TO THE BALL FOREVER IN THE SEC!!!

Kid has killed us for two seasons pullng his I'll hold on to the ball forever "*&it".

I'm over it. We have a crap line, we are playing the #1 team of all-time...and JG still thinks he has an ALL-PRO line in front of him? Enough...CMON JG, use your damned head, son.

1/2 of this QB game is being intlelligent enough to know what situation you are in. He clearly doesn't get it, and is willing time and time again, to take a sack and a fumble for an obvious score RATHER than playing smart and just throwing it away. I think his immaturity after three seasons is never going to change.

Time for this kid to either stay hurt and learn what his mistakes are, or get another reprieve, and START LEARNING THE POSITION.
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What bugs me is his label as a former No1 dual threat QB... and he can't get out of a jam to save his rear. He has speed and looks to be mobile... I just feel he processes information slowly.
 
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#342
So JG gets injured, chryst does okay vs vanilla and the 3rd string playing vanilla.....and this bs starts back up. sheesh! as i said, he could lead us to the title game and some would still find an issue......

#SomeOfTheIssueIsHisParentsFault
 
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#343
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BloomuVol said:
Pruitt has praised jg many times for going through his reads on the coaching shows, quit trying to build that strawman it just doesnt hold up.
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And JP must think Helton is a SEC quality OC and the government doesn't lie to us either.
 
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#346
I Agree. Keller is the more Mature QB and I think his understanding of the game and his experience allows him to make quicker decisions. That matters, especially if your o line sucks. JG has always taken way too long to make decisions and honestly that is what caused that sack and fumble. Not the o line. JG just doesn’t have the cerebral part of the game. He doesn’t lift the team up when ***** going bad. He has a slightly stronger arm. That’s it. Start Keller.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Heh, actually very little of it was investigating stuff. I wasn't an MP or an IG. Mostly an airborne combat engineer and foreign area officer (Europe). So, blowing stuff up, jumping out of airplanes, building stuff from time to time, and being the Army version of a diplomat. Sort of.

But you spend 26 years as an officer, and you'll do your share of investigations. Just comes with the job. Additional duties, you know.

*salute*
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And here I was thinking you were Jack Reacher...
 
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I'll give credit to Chryst for coming in and being efficient in his time quarterbacking the offense...

at the same time though, even while going up against Alabama's defense, he was in a very low pressure situation. He is coming in, game is already out of hand, the defense hasn't prepared for you, and you have nothing to lose. Things are much clearer, mentally, in that situation. I've seen many Qbs come in and light it up, only to disappoint you over a long stretch.

I say this because in other situations Chryst has come in, when the game is still in hand and the pressure is on,he has looked underprepared...I think I remember him fumbling a snap or two, missing on on another one or two throws completley and all this was in spot duty..
 
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lexkyvol said:
So JG gets injured, chryst does okay vs vanilla and the 3rd string playing vanilla.....and this bs starts back up. sheesh! as i said, he could lead us to the title game and some would still find an issue......

#SomeOfTheIssueIsHisParentsFault
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Bama still had their 1st string guys in till late 3rd quarter, just saying
 
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