2018 Midterm Election Thread

[roosterjbh]

He probably should have clarified with "man made GW".

That's what I meant.

Same answer.

 

[Mick]

Title IX expansions
Bias report teams
expansion of "disability" accomodations

to name a few

Please don't melt. Better yet, just encourage the Right-wing to stay out of college and bitch about the lack of unskilled jobs. Don't play the victim and encourage others to play the victim of this crap. If a girl wants to play football, let her. If someone feels discriminated against, they might be. If someone need a special parking place because of a disability, let them have it.

People can get an online degree in just about anything and if you can't coexist with other, college is not for you to begin with.

 

[RiotVol]

@RiotVol wanna speak to this at all?

Feels like hop-scotching through a minefield to even try, but I'll just say that I work my tail off to be even-handed and respectful to my students, and I generally get the same in return. I'm not out here trying to create little carbon copies of myself. I work my @$$ off trying to get my students jobs they won't hate that pay them a living wage, especially the kids from working class backgrounds.

But hey, I guess it's just easier to speak in generalities and assume we're all out here recruiting for ANTIFA.

 

[Matt2496]

We are winning the culture war.

Large Majorities Dislike Political Correctness - The Atlantic

 

[hog88]

Same answer.

Have to disagree then.

 

[RiotVol]

Title IX expansions
Bias report teams
expansion of "disability" accomodations

to name a few

I feel like you can lay this crap at the feet of the expansion of administrators trying to find excuses for their six figure salaries.

If you really want to get at the problems with higher education, that's where I'd start.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Same answer.

Do your part and hold your breath through out the day then and stop boofing.

 

[NEO]

The biggest mistake this country makes is pushing academia on everyone as if a degree alone gets you a job.

One of my best friends in this world is a full time professor at a major university in Ohio. He has an English degree. He makes about 22,000 a year doing it. He has to also work for the city writing test for the officers just so he can make 40k a year and survive.

His brother never went to college but became a welder. Now makes about 85,000 a year which is a liveable wage.

There are a ton of skilled labor jobs needing filled but the world tells you college is the answer. No, colllege is not always the answer and some degrees are dead ends.

 

[RiotVol]

The biggest mistake this country makes is pushing academia on everyone as if a degree alone gets you a job.

One of my best friends in this world is a full time professor at a major university in Ohio. He has an English degree. He makes about 22,000 a year doing it. He has to also work for the city writing test for the officers just so he can make 40k a year and survive.

His brother never went to college but became a welder. Now makes about 85,000 a year which is a liveable wage.

There are a ton of skilled labor jobs needing filled but the world tells you college is the answer. No, colllege is not always the answer and some degrees are dead ends.

I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

 

[Mick]

I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

I as well.

 

[volinbham]

Please don't melt. Better yet, just encourage the Right-wing to stay out of college and bitch about the lack of unskilled jobs. Don't play the victim and encourage others to play the victim of this crap. If a girl wants to play football, let her. If someone feels discriminated against, they might be. If someone need a special parking place because of a disability, let them have it.

People can get an online degree in just about anything and if you can't coexist with other, college is not for you to begin with.

I can't decipher this but from the examples you used it's clear you don't know what I'm talking about. Ironically the last statement is the problem - universities are actively dismantling the notion of coexistence with people and ideas you don't agree with.

LOL at the Title IX means girls playing football.

 

[volinbham]

I feel like you can lay this crap at the feet of the expansion of administrators trying to find excuses for their six figure salaries.

If you really want to get at the problems with higher education, that's where I'd start.

100% agree. Was going to add it to the list but was trying to keep it to bullet points. The explosion in administrative offices that are not directly linked to academics is suffocating.

 

[05_never_again]

The biggest mistake this country makes is pushing academia on everyone as if a degree alone gets you a job.

One of my best friends in this world is a full time professor at a major university in Ohio. He has an English degree. He makes about 22,000 a year doing it. He has to also work for the city writing test for the officers just so he can make 40k a year and survive.

His brother never went to college but became a welder. Now makes about 85,000 a year which is a liveable wage.

There are a ton of skilled labor jobs needing filled but the world tells you college is the answer. No, colllege is not always the answer and some degrees are dead ends.

A lot of these academic, "lesbian dance theory"-types look down on trade schools and the jobs you can get after going to them, like welding or being an electrician. They'd never admit it because it goes against their claimed ethos, but they do.

 

[Mick]

I can't decipher this but from the examples you used it's clear you don't know what I'm talking about. Ironically the last statement is the problem - universities are actively dismantling the notion of coexistence with people and ideas you don't agree with.

LOL at the Title IX means girls playing football.

You're right, I don't know what you're talking about, that is why I asked how. You usually don't have such short answers.

 

[GAVol]

100% agree. Was going to add it to the list but was trying to keep it to bullet points. The explosion in administrative offices that are not directly linked to academics is suffocating.

I've got a Brother-in-law that is at the highest level of adminstration at a state school. He constantly tells me how ludicrous the whole set up is. Nobody does overpaid bureaucracy like a state University system.

 

[volinbham]

I've been in the business (Higher Ed) for 25 years and I completely agree we over sell the power of a college degree and that we unnecessarily devalue trade schools and other vocational training opportunities.

Back to the victimization change - if we really wanted to help students we'd be honest with them and help them find the right path either within the university or at some alternative training/education opportunity. Instead when we encounter students who aren't a great fit we are pressured to grant exceptions and even change curriculum so that those not well suited to the major or degree can "pursue their dream". As a result, we have crappy graduation and retention rates and students end up with mounds of debt and no degree or a shell degree all because we couldn't have a straight talk with them and help them realize maybe their dream path is a poor choice for them.

 

[nuclearjunky]

The biggest mistake this country makes is pushing academia on everyone as if a degree alone gets you a job.

One of my best friends in this world is a full time professor at a major university in Ohio. He has an English degree. He makes about 22,000 a year doing it. He has to also work for the city writing test for the officers just so he can make 40k a year and survive.

His brother never went to college but became a welder. Now makes about 85,000 a year which is a liveable wage.

There are a ton of skilled labor jobs needing filled but the world tells you college is the answer. No, colllege is not always the answer and some degrees are dead ends.

My stepdad who raised me is a Naval Academy Grad in Mathematics and took enough engineering classes after that to become a PE. My mother earned an engineering degree in her spare time while raising three kids over 20 years. They never talked to me about anything but getting a degree growing up. I went to UTC for two years majoring in Environmental Engineering. Things happened and I had to drop out. I started doing mechanic work and went to a tech school for industrial maintenance and within 3 years I was making what an engineer would make coming out of college. Then I was selected for an apprenticeship and now 18 years later I make well into 6 figures a year working with my hands. The demand for high end welders and industrial mechanics is growing everyday.

 

[volinbham]

You're right, I don't know what you're talking about, that is why I asked how. You usually don't have such short answers.

It would take pages. I agree with Riot - I think faculty as a whole get a bad rap and where you see the "indoctrination" is in select fields - most STEM and professional majors (engineering, business, medicine, etc) are not eaten up with it in the classroom. However the overall administration of the university has moved towards the things I've mentioned partially because they've structurally changed to add those emphases (people hired and paid to promote the ideas and environment) and because questioning these things always bring rebuke and worse.

I keep my head down and complain to a few other faculty. If I openly question some of these things (like universities used and should operate) hell will rain down upon me.

 

[Mick]

I've been in the business (Higher Ed) for 25 years and I completely agree we over sell the power of a college degree and that we unnecessarily devalue trade schools and other vocational training opportunities.

Back to the victimization change - if we really wanted to help students we'd be honest with them and help them find the right path either within the university or at some alternative training/education opportunity. Instead when we encounter students who aren't a great fit we are pressured to grant exceptions and even change curriculum so that those not well suited to the major or degree can "pursue their dream". As a result, we have crappy graduation and retention rates and students end up with mounds of debt and no degree or a shell degree all because we couldn't have a straight talk with them and help them realize maybe their dream path is a poor choice for them.

I agree with the first bolded. On the second bolded, that is crazy of the Administration to encourage such things from its professors. No wonder we are falling behind other countries.

 

[37L1]

I agree with the first bolded. On the second bolded, that is crazy of the Administration to encourage such things from its professors. No wonder we are falling behind other countries.

Diplomas have become participation trophies.

 

[volinbham]

I agree with the first bolded. On the second bolded, that is crazy of the Administration to encourage such things from its professors. No wonder we are falling behind other countries.

Here's an article that helps understand the abuses of Title IX

Laura Kipnis’s Endless Trial by Title IX

 

[Mick]

It would take pages. I agree with Riot - I think faculty as a whole get a bad rap and where you see the "indoctrination" is in select fields - most STEM and professional majors (engineering, business, medicine, etc) are not eaten up with it in the classroom. However the overall administration of the university has moved towards the things I've mentioned partially because they've structurally changed to add those emphases (people hired and paid to promote the ideas and environment) and because questioning these things always bring rebuke and worse.

I keep my head down and complain to a few other faculty. If I openly question some of these things (like universities used and should operate) hell will rain down upon me.

How much time do you have? lol. I may have to go back and take a class or two to see for myself. I still don't see any "indoctrination" examples from your posts.

 

[RiotVol]

It would take pages. I agree with Riot - I think faculty as a whole get a bad rap and where you see the "indoctrination" is in select fields - most STEM and professional majors (engineering, business, medicine, etc) are not eaten up with it in the classroom. However the overall administration of the university has moved towards the things I've mentioned partially because they've structurally changed to add those emphases (people hired and paid to promote the ideas and environment) and because questioning these things always bring rebuke and worse.

I keep my head down and complain to a few other faculty. If I openly question some of these things (like universities used and should operate) hell will rain down upon me.

I get frustrated when the solution to any issue is either 1) create a new administrative unit and a new six figure position to manage the new people we had to hire to staff this unit, or 2) let create a new committee to deal with it and obligate faculty to be on it as if we don't have enough to f@#$ing do.

I'll admit that I'm pretty liberal, but I'll be damned if universities aren't the best case for libertarianism I've ever seen.

 

[hog88]

My stepdad who raised me is a Naval Academy Grad in Mathematics and took enough engineering classes after that to become a PE. My mother earned an engineering degree in her spare time while raising three kids over 20 years. They never talked to me about anything but getting a degree growing up. I went to UTC for two years majoring in Environmental Engineering. Things happened and I had to drop out. I started doing mechanic work and went to a tech school for industrial maintenance and within 3 years I was making what an engineer would make coming out of college. Then I was selected for an apprenticeship and now 18 years later I make well into 6 figures a year working with my hands. The demand for high end welders and industrial mechanics is growing everyday.

I would have been the first (since my grandmother) in my family to go to college so I got the same thing from my mom and dad. Had to take the AP classes, a C was terrible and on and on. Got to college and after 2 years I hated it, I had the added pleasure of paying for it so I snuck off to the Army, figured it was the only safe place where my mom couldn't kill me for dropping out.

 

[C-south]

The biggest mistake this country makes is pushing academia on everyone as if a degree alone gets you a job.

One of my best friends in this world is a full time professor at a major university in Ohio. He has an English degree. He makes about 22,000 a year doing it. He has to also work for the city writing test for the officers just so he can make 40k a year and survive.

His brother never went to college but became a welder. Now makes about 85,000 a year which is a liveable wage.

There are a ton of skilled labor jobs needing filled but the world tells you college is the answer. No, colllege is not always the answer and some degrees are dead ends.

You can go to school all you want but if you can’t apply anything you learn it’s moot. The ability apply what you learn, being a good problem solver, seeing and learning how things work, and good ole common sense go a long way.