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JacketVol said:
Prayers to all you guys. I am just about to sit here and ball my eyes out. My dad has passed but he knew who we were. This stuff is horrible. Hang in there my fellow morans.
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That seems like such an awful disease. Prayers for your family and anyone's family who is dealing with this.
 
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Vols4us said:
To all my fellow morans and families walking through the Alzheimer's/dementia experience with loved ones - our hearts and prayers go out to you. In a month it will be the 7th anniversary of my wonderful mother-in-law's death from dementia. As Jacket posted, be thankful if your loved one knew you in the end. Ours did not. In the end her body forgot how to chew, swallow, and breathe. It was a brutal, 10+ year experience for her and our family. However, today she is with the Lord and all is good - no more pain, no more fear. The grief we felt gave way to great memories and life lessons to honor her, which were to love deeper and serve others better.
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Best post I have read in a very long time. Thank you.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Dan Mullen: An VN Oral History, retold by Nicksjuzunk:

I would like to give some history and context to the Dan Mullen debate. I'm going to dig just a bit through post history, because I've got a weird memory and these things are able to be found if you desire to search.

1. The Context: When this debate began, Butch Jones was still the head coach. Generally speaking, there were roughly speaking, two camps. Gruden, and other coaching candidates. The most "reasonable" names circulated at this point are as follows:

a. Jon Gruden
b. Scott Frost
c. Dan Mullen
d. Chip Kelly
e. Other names, Patterson, Brohm, Campbell, were also pitched around.

At this point in the game, every Vol fan had the exact same thing in mind... bring me the coach who will give us the opportunity to win championships. We heard things such as "money will not be an issue" to get our hopes very high. When Butch is fired, Currie gives the illusion that he is about to run this thing. Hopes are high on Rocky Top. We were told we were "swimming in different waters."

2. The Conversation: So, being a message board, we begin to pick apart each candidate. Gruden has never been a college coach, Frost has never won at a big program, Kelly would never come, Campbell's buy out, Brohm is too small, Patterson will never come, etc. This brings us to Dan Mullen. I was largely one of the Mullen detractors, which is well known. I believe McGill coined the phrase "Mehlan", which unfortunately was more catching than my personal "7.5 win Dan". I'm not about to go over the reasons of the anti-Mullens, as this has been discussed endlessly, but the context seems to be lost and only the conversation is remembered. No one every questions whether Mullen was a "good" coach. He is obviouslly a great quarterback coach and did very well at Mississippi State. The question at this point in the game was, "Can he bring championships to Tennessee?" Because that is exactly what our eye was on at this point in the game. I personally, did not think so.

3. The Continuation: So, we are knee deep in the coaching search, and it becomes clear, we've been fed a line. There is no Santa, there will be no "proven winner" hired, and suddenly
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When it became clear that we would not be able to hire a tier 1 coach, most people said Mullen would be just fine... but Florida had grabbed him. Later on, in March, I would admit...

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4. The Concession: Given the resources at Florida, it's obvious that

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But will he win championships? I still tend to think not, though he certainly could.

5. The Continuation: Having now settled exhaustively how 95% of anti-Mullen posters feel about Dan Mullen, I would like to let you konw that I will continue to take shots at Mullen every chance that I get. I will laugh at his dancing, mock his cheesy quotes and call him 7.5 Win Dan with every single loss that he takes. I am a fan, and he coaches my most hated rival. It doesn't mean I think he is a terrible coach, but I'll hammer that if he gives me nails. I am not sure if we will ever get the joy of overtaking the Gators while he coaches, but with every slip, I will be there to gloat, because when your team is as bad as the Vols are right now, you gotta enjoy something.
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If you can't mock your hated rival, then whom can you mock? I am in!! Mehlan sucks.
 
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HankHill said:
That’s your opinion, but don’t get mad at me when i believe we have better OLmen on roster than schools like: Vandy, wake Forrest, Rutgers, Virginia, and whatever crappy school you want to put in there.
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You have to

I mean guys like Trey Smith Drew Richmond Marcus Tatum etc had so many offers you can’t tell me everybody was dead wrong on all of them

OL coach is one of hardest position coaching hires a HC can make when you find a good one just hope you hang on to him cuz i know for us we haven’t had a good one since Steve addazio under urban although I like what I’ve seen of the guy Mullen brought
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Dan Mullen: An VN Oral History, retold by Nicksjuzunk:

I would like to give some history and context to the Dan Mullen debate. I'm going to dig just a bit through post history, because I've got a weird memory and these things are able to be found if you desire to search.

1. The Context: When this debate began, Butch Jones was still the head coach. Generally speaking, there were roughly speaking, two camps. Gruden, and other coaching candidates. The most "reasonable" names circulated at this point are as follows:

a. Jon Gruden
b. Scott Frost
c. Dan Mullen
d. Chip Kelly
e. Other names, Patterson, Brohm, Campbell, were also pitched around.

At this point in the game, every Vol fan had the exact same thing in mind... bring me the coach who will give us the opportunity to win championships. We heard things such as "money will not be an issue" to get our hopes very high. When Butch is fired, Currie gives the illusion that he is about to run this thing. Hopes are high on Rocky Top. We were told we were "swimming in different waters."

2. The Conversation: So, being a message board, we begin to pick apart each candidate. Gruden has never been a college coach, Frost has never won at a big program, Kelly would never come, Campbell's buy out, Brohm is too small, Patterson will never come, etc. This brings us to Dan Mullen. I was largely one of the Mullen detractors, which is well known. I believe McGill coined the phrase "Mehlan", which unfortunately was more catching than my personal "7.5 win Dan". I'm not about to go over the reasons of the anti-Mullens, as this has been discussed endlessly, but the context seems to be lost and only the conversation is remembered. No one every questions whether Mullen was a "good" coach. He is obviouslly a great quarterback coach and did very well at Mississippi State. The question at this point in the game was, "Can he bring championships to Tennessee?" Because that is exactly what our eye was on at this point in the game. I personally, did not think so.

3. The Continuation: So, we are knee deep in the coaching search, and it becomes clear, we've been fed a line. There is no Santa, there will be no "proven winner" hired, and suddenly
View attachment 171433
When it became clear that we would not be able to hire a tier 1 coach, most people said Mullen would be just fine... but Florida had grabbed him. Later on, in March, I would admit...

View attachment 171434

4. The Concession: Given the resources at Florida, it's obvious that

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But will he win championships? I still tend to think not, though he certainly could.

5. The Continuation: Having now settled exhaustively how 95% of anti-Mullen posters feel about Dan Mullen, I would like to let you konw that I will continue to take shots at Mullen every chance that I get. I will laugh at his dancing, mock his cheesy quotes and call him 7.5 Win Dan with every single loss that he takes. I am a fan, and he coaches my most hated rival. It doesn't mean I think he is a terrible coach, but I'll hammer that if he gives me nails. I am not sure if we will ever get the joy of overtaking the Gators while he coaches, but with every slip, I will be there to gloat, because when your team is as bad as the Vols are right now, you gotta enjoy something.
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I love you, Nick. And, yes, in the weird way. But you went from “Crawl through a sea of broken glass” for the man to “we did better than Dan” just like that. I want to but I’m not there.

But alas, I’ll choose to punk that Moose-knuckle-wielding dweeb with my Vol brethren if it’s the last thing I’m remembered for.

#FortheVols
 
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JacketVol said:
Only thing is JJ can pass BUT Chandler should get more carries period.
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i don't care if Chandler gets more carries.

in fact, i'm not sure he should.

he should, get more touches. i think finding more creative ways to get him in to space is something to key on. not sure it has to be by lining up behind or beside JG and taking a hand off.

i think there's some lessons you can learn from Carolina in how they utilize Mcaffery and New Orleans in how the use Kamara. as of right now, he's the closest thing we have to a difference maker, and he needs 20 touches a game....at least.
 
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You guys bowing at the altar of Meh with your coach envy is sickening. Dan Mullen is a good coach, but if Jeremy Pruitt is having a hard time recruiting at Tennessee, then Mehlan would have been toast here. He is a good place for him to succeed.

If you guys can't see how fundamentally footbaw stupid, slow and soft..the triple whammy of suckitude...that this roster is..Then you are just willingly and stupidly blind.

NOBODY..would be doing any better with this roster to this point...NOBODY..If Pruitt can get these guys playing any better, and he already has imo, then he will have done a great job this year overall.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You guys bowing at the altar of Meh wuth your coach envy is sickening. Dan Mullen is a good coach, but if Keremy Pruitt is having a hard time recruiting at Tennessee, then Mehlan would have been toast here. He is a good place for him to succeed.

If you idiots can't see how fundamentally footbaw stupid, slow and soft..the triple whammy of suckitude...that this roster is..Then you are just willingly stupidly blind.

NOBODY..would be doing any better with this roster to this point...NOBODY..I Pruitt can get these guys playing any better, and he already has imo, then he will have done a great job this year overall.
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take away the venom, and i don't really disagree.

but you really gotta chill out dude.
 
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bignewt said:
Mullen is a gator through and through, that is why I did not want him here.
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that didn't bother me. i was pretty torn. i did a lot to talk myself in to the notion that he'd be good here. and there was plenty to point to to be honest.

i just thought Tennessee wasn't a good fit for him. i don't think he's an elite recruiter. but at FL, it makes more sense given the history he has there, and the talent pool he'd be in, where he'd be able to get high quality players w/out a ton of effort.

to be good here, we do need a relentless recruiter...that was the main thing for me. i know he's a good offensive mind, i was sold on his ability to coach qb's. i just felt like he'd need someone else to be able to get them here.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that didn't bother me. i was pretty torn. i did a lot to talk myself in to the notion that he'd be good here. and there was plenty to point to to be honest.

i just thought Tennessee wasn't a good fit for him. i don't think he's an elite recruiter. but at FL, it makes more sense given the history he has there, and the talent pool he'd be in, where he'd be able to get high quality players w/out a ton of effort.

to be good here, we do need a relentless recruiter...that was the main thing for me. i know he's a good offensive mind, i was sold on his ability to coach qb's. i just felt like he'd need someone else to be able to get them here.
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I literally agree with everything you said.
 
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