You think hiring a proven HC doesn't matter?

If it's public record, please show it to me. Post a link. You think Knox news posts only the gospel truth? Please show me the texts and prove me wrong.

Here ya go buddy boy. I have a life and need to get off of this idiotic back and forth. I'll let you do your own research but I'm happy to help you get going. However, you seem to be the type who wants to believe what he wants to believe. Good luck!
Documents show Dan Mullen, Paul Johnson, Les Miles each expressed interest in Tennessee job
 
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Florida is better than people thought.

Btw I started the Dan Mullen thread and people thought I was crazy lol
Mullen is a good coach and he’s at Florida, which is a far better football program than Tennessee, period. Is what it is. No one should be remotely surprised that Florida beat our ass or that we’re the worst team in the SEC while Florida just beat top 5 LSU and will challenge Georgia for the East. Again, just is what it is.
 
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Here ya go buddy boy. I have a life and need to get off of this idiotic back and forth. I'll let you do your own research but I'm happy to help you get going. However, you seem to be the type who wants to believe what he wants to believe. Good luck!
Documents show Dan Mullen, Paul Johnson, Les Miles each expressed interest in Tennessee job
Only shows selective texts. As I remember it, Clint Dowdle was the last party to contact John Currie. You said this was public records, please show it to me.
 
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It’s amazing to me the things we fret and hate over. There’s literally 2 dozens more things at the top of my priority list than crying over the possibility that it may take a while for the Vols to recover and CJP may not be the second coming of the General (but hey he may be). And following the Vols is a huge thing in my life and JUST FOR ENTERTAINMENT. I’m sure my lack of furor for hating Florida is loathsome to some. But I’ve lived that life and matured a lot I HOPE!
 
and he wanted to go to UF. What's your point?
The point is that he was never contacted during the Schiano fiasco. He would’ve came to UT in a heartbeat. BUT...let’s flip the tables, Mullen goes to UT and Pruitt goes to UF. Pruitt beats our rears just like Mullen did lol! Tennessee is a cursed football program. I’m beginning to believe this will never get fixed.
 
Odd that Florida recruited worse than UT and won 4 games last year with these guys and it took all they had to suck slightly worse head to head vs UT last year, but suddenly they're very talented, much more than Tennessee.

This program would have been 10000 times better off with Mike Leach than with how the search turned out after he agreed to take the job and was then told he didn't have it. I'll never understand what Fulmer was thinking, or anyone else, by turning down a bonafide program changing head coach for the complete unknown.
I am thinking that he saw what Smart did at Georgia, and thought that getting another coach off the Saban coaching tree would be a good idea. Although I will stand with JP right now, I do believe that we should have gone ahead with Leach or have gave it to Les Miles. I think that we would have been better off with one of them, and they both wanted the job.
 
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
Here we go again, so please explain to me Chip Kelly and Scott Frost both proven head coaches both have teams with awful records!
 
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I don't know why y'all are down on Pruitt. I think you will beat the barn. Since 1963, UGA has hired one proven HC, Jim Donnan. He was fired.
Vince Dooley was an Auburn assistant. He won 201 games, 6 SEC titles, a NC and is in the HOF.
Ray Goff was a USCe assistant, and failed.
Mark Richt was a FSU assistant, won 75% of the games, and 2 SEC titles.
Kirby Smart was a Bama assistant and is 27-7 with an SEC title.

Bob Stoops was a UF assistant when OU hired him.

Dan Mullen was a UF assistant when MSU hired him.

Butch Jones was an established HC when UT hired him.
 
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

Mississippi State with a big upset, too.

What I don’t understand is why these other coaches can at least get their teams to play up at least one game per year, but we just look lost in every big game we play. This goes back several years.

And it’s not like Mississippi State has recruited anywhere near us, either.
 
He's at Washington State because Tennessee idiotically didn't honor the MOU he'd signed to coach here. Other than that, it's because he refused to lie under oath at the direction of his AD at Texas Tech.

As for the rest of your post, he had a top 15 offense and defense in the nation last year at Washington State. Washington State is a worse program historically than Vanderbilt. Texas Tech was just as bad historically as Kentucky/Vandy etc. He got them into the top 10 in the country while there.

He's a great great coach. He lost a guy he'd turned into a great quarterback last year. Replaced him with a grad transfer from East Carolina this year. They are 5-1 with a 3 point loss to USC and are averaging 42 points per game. They've been to 3 straight bowls, went 6-3 twice and 7-2 once in the Pac 10 the last 3 years. Once again, at Washington State, which is, as I said, a worse program than Vanderbilt historically. They were 9-40 in the 4 years before he got there.

Somehow, after all his bumbling Currie hit a 9th inning walk-off homerun. Only there was weird fan interference at the last second and the homerun was ruled an out.

The other sad thing about that is that Mike Leach produces coaches and we missed out on that. His current coaching tree includes West Virgina's head coach, Oklahoma's head coach, Texas Tech's head coach, Central Florida's head coach, and Neal Brown at Troy. Those guys are 27-4 this year combined and 3 of them were ranked in the top 12 this week. Art Briles was also on his coaching tree, he won a whole lot of football games himself. We desperately need a coach that can develop head coaches and Leach does it and does it well.

So basically we hired a completely green/unproven assistant over someone who has rebuilt two of the worst programs in NCAA history and who produces generations of great future coaches. Most likely because, as has been mentioned, he basically doesn't allow the AD to force him into bad situations without standing up for himself.

Great post! Exactly right.
 
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

We were rejected by every established coach in the country. Did you sleep through the coaching search last November??

Geez. Some people are thick headed.
 
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He's at Washington State because Tennessee idiotically didn't honor the MOU he'd signed to coach here. Other than that, it's because he refused to lie under oath at the direction of his AD at Texas Tech.

As for the rest of your post, he had a top 15 offense and defense in the nation last year at Washington State. Washington State is a worse program historically than Vanderbilt. Texas Tech was just as bad historically as Kentucky/Vandy etc. He got them into the top 10 in the country while there.

He's a great great coach. He lost a guy he'd turned into a great quarterback last year. Replaced him with a grad transfer from East Carolina this year. They are 5-1 with a 3 point loss to USC and are averaging 42 points per game. They've been to 3 straight bowls, went 6-3 twice and 7-2 once in the Pac 10 the last 3 years. Once again, at Washington State, which is, as I said, a worse program than Vanderbilt historically. They were 9-40 in the 4 years before he got there.

Somehow, after all his bumbling Currie hit a 9th inning walk-off homerun. Only there was weird fan interference at the last second and the homerun was ruled an out.

The other sad thing about that is that Mike Leach produces coaches and we missed out on that. His current coaching tree includes West Virgina's head coach, Oklahoma's head coach, Texas Tech's head coach, Central Florida's head coach, and Neal Brown at Troy. Those guys are 27-4 this year combined and 3 of them were ranked in the top 12 this week. Art Briles was also on his coaching tree, he won a whole lot of football games himself. We desperately need a coach that can develop head coaches and Leach does it and does it well.

So basically we hired a completely green/unproven assistant over someone who has rebuilt two of the worst programs in NCAA history and who produces generations of great future coaches. Most likely because, as has been mentioned, he basically doesn't allow the AD to force him into bad situations without standing up for himself.

Just curious, has Tennessee stopped every other major program from hiring Leach also?
 
Oh boy...another Mike Leach disciple. The guy is a freakazoid & getting his head handed to him at Washington State. His teams would be trounced in the SEC & he would have never been successful at UT.
What? They are 5-1 with their only loss being by 3 to USC. They were a top 15 team last year. He's doing it at a program that was 8-40 the 4 years before he got there. He'd average 40+ a game in the SEC with the talent that is afforded a coach at Tennessee.
 
Mullen would never have come to UT his dream job was waiting at UF. He was just waiting on the call. He’s a veteran coach unlike ours . However , I believe CJP will exceed Mullen in long run due to the structure and culture he is setting up. He’s already not happen with offense staff so there will be changes until he gets what he wants in place.

Other than coaching at Florida with Meyer, what ties does Mullen have to the university? None.

Mullen's "dream job" was whichever school paid him the most money, and gave him the most money for his assistants. UT missed the boat by making schiano the primary target, and lowballing the salary to boot.
 
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

Mullen took the Fla job w/o interviewing at UT. He had a great history there so quit the histrionocs that we lost him because we wouldn’t get off the wallet.
 
Agreed. No real head coach wants anything to do with Tennessee. Tennessee football is dead, and has been for a while now. Atleast the basketball team is decent lol.
Tn Football was dead in 2017. We had two 9 win seasons and consecutive bowl wins prior to 2017. We were not dead in those years.
 

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