Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[turdherder11]

Shamburger stays in the doghouse. He's not going to get the game reps he needs to become the player he should be until he starts bringing it every practice. The coaches have sent a clear message and so far, he doesn't seem to be getting it. Buchanan is getting better. Even Abernathy is stepping it up.

I have notice Abernathy quietly getting better. I thought he was one of the worst players on D. He's starting to turn things around. Kongbo still looks very unnatural running around @ the LB/DE spot.

 

[volsagain]

That's dirt cheap for a player as good as Collin Sexton. Talk about good value for money.

They save their money for football players ! Ha

 

[Rishvol]

Shamburger stays in the doghouse. He's not going to get the game reps he needs to become the player he should be until he starts bringing it every practice. The coaches have sent a clear message and so far, he doesn't seem to be getting it. Buchanan is getting better. Even Abernathy is stepping it up.

I'm fine with this. Is he better than Buchanan? Most likely, but if it's Buchanan bringing 100% all the time then I'd rather he play over someone who doesn't.

 

[Vols4us]

Agree on 'burger in the doghouse. Disagree on Buchanan. Based on video study of the games, he might be in position one out of three plays with inadequate speed to compensate for making slow decisions. They just don't have a real Star on the roster. Agree on Taylor, Thompson and Flowers being the future. Love all three and want them to play as many snaps as they can get in every game to get accustomed to playing together for the future benefit of the defense. Lock down type guys on the corners with a Deon Grant type centerfielder would be awesome. When you have that on the backend you can do more to pressure the QB.

 

[LA Vol]

Better is relative. We have a number of guys who're not going to be the players people expected they would be. Development, coaching, attitude, effort, ability, injuries, position-- a lot of things factor in. Every little bit better they can be helps the team, especially this year.

 

[jakez4ut]

Better is relative. We have a number of guys who're not going to be the players people expected they would be. Development, coaching, attitude, effort, ability, injuries, position-- a lot of things factor in. Every little bit better they can be helps the team, especially this year.

agreed. i don't think anyone is going to be nominating BB for all sec.........but i do think he's gotten better.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I don’t drink coffee or alcohol.

Come @ me

Freak..

 

[volinbama256]

This is what I was talking about last week and this past weekend--- crazy that we have so much talent on paper, but Butch and Co had severely underdeveloped this roster... Programs like KY we see are maximizing player's potential while Butch has/had been literally wasting talent. Pruitt and Co definitely have their work cut out, but the good news is that we do actually have talent, it just needs to be coached up...

Recruiting class rankings typically forecast which college football programs will be competing for championships every year.
Tennessee is one of the outliers bucking the trend.
247Sports on Thursday unveiled its updated Team Talent Composite — the feature looks at the rosters of every FBS team and, accounting for transfers, dismissals and graduation, ranks them based on how their players ranked in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite coming out of high school — for 2018 and the Vols checked at No. 15.

Where Tennessee landed in the updated rankings isn't necessarily surprising because its past four recruiting classes were ranked fourth (2015), 14th (2016), 17th (2017) and 21st (2018) for an average recruiting finish of 14th.
However, the Vols are one of the biggest underachievers in college based on the Team Talent Composite alongside Florida State (No. 5) and UCLA (No. 19), two programs that like Tennessee have new coaches this season.

KY-- #32
Mizz-- #42
Vandy-- #45

and they all could potentially beat us.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

man, i hate hearing that about Sham....what's wrong there?

He's too freakin lazy to practice. Our luck...we actually have a DB with pretty good useful skills, and he is too stinking lazy to work them.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

This is what I was talking about last week and this past weekend--- crazy that we have so much talent on paper, but Butch and Co had severely underdeveloped this roster... Programs like KY we see are maximizing player's potential while Butch has/had been literally wasting talent. Pruitt and Co definitely have their work cut out, but the good news is that we do actually have talent, it just needs to be coached up...

Recruiting class rankings typically forecast which college football programs will be competing for championships every year.
Tennessee is one of the outliers bucking the trend.
247Sports on Thursday unveiled its updated Team Talent Composite — the feature looks at the rosters of every FBS team and, accounting for transfers, dismissals and graduation, ranks them based on how their players ranked in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite coming out of high school — for 2018 and the Vols checked at No. 15.

Where Tennessee landed in the updated rankings isn't necessarily surprising because its past four recruiting classes were ranked fourth (2015), 14th (2016), 17th (2017) and 21st (2018) for an average recruiting finish of 14th.
However, the Vols are one of the biggest underachievers in college based on the Team Talent Composite alongside Florida State (No. 5) and UCLA (No. 19), two programs that like Tennessee have new coaches this season.

KY-- #32
Mizz-- #42
Vandy-- #45

and they all could potentially beat us.

By this point I just don't think we have much talent. I think we have a weirdly inordinate number of badly overrated players that were also badly coached and physically developed..the triple whammy of suckitude.

 

[RikidyBones]

John Emery

... what happened with him?

 

[HankHill]

His era was like 2.00 before the groin injury, he’s been having a really solid season

He’s been the dodgers best pitcher. Just without the hype

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

... what happened with him?

No idea, but that’s the first I’ve heard him mentioned with our staff

 

[jakez4ut]

He's too freakin lazy to practice. Our luck...we actually have a DB with pretty good useful skills, and he is too stinking lazy to work them.

transition is hard. especially for 19-20 year olds. i doubt he's lazy. probably thick headed and doesn't do change well.

i almomst equate it to chaning schools for your kids. my oldest has changed schools 3 times. she's in 6th grade. and this last change, was a step up...she's always been a good student, but things just came easy to her. she didn't have to work.

in this school....she has to work. and while she struggle some last year, adjusting to the work load, and difficulty level, she has done a good job of adjusting to her scheduule and keeping herself more organized. but she wasn't used to the work, at all. there were some realizations she had to go thru, some tough lessons. and she's still not a huge fan of how much time school eats in to her social time, time for cheerleading etc....but she now knows what it takes to do all of it, and she's doing much better with it, while maintaining A's.....

so while i don't have any trouble believing Sham is probably having some difficulty with this transition, that doesn't mean he won't eventually get where needs to be.

it's up to him, and i hope he does figure it out. i doubt he's going thru all this w/out any feedback from the coaches. just like my daughter didn't go thru her transition w/out feedback from us. can't do it for them though. at some point, they have to do it.

 

[Chuckie]

I hate the Dodgers. Always there with some brilliant pitching effort to stand in the Braves way.

Lol. According to the Braves page on mlb.com, they have played the Dodgers twice in the postseason, winning 3-0 in 1996 and losing 3-1 in 2013.

It's funny, because I have the exact inverse of your sentiment. When the Dodgers and Braves were in the NL west and the Braves were on their run in the 90s, it seems like there were several years where the division winner wasn't determined until the final weekend of the season, and the Braves always pulled it out. I still hate it when they play, because I always expect the Braves are going to win the series (regular or post season).

Edit: And history has obviously been unkind to my memory as well There was actually only one year (1991) where the NL West came down to the Braves or Dodgers, with Atlanta winning the division by one game that year.

 

[volinbama256]

By this point I just don't think we have much talent. I think we have a weirdly inordinate number of badly overrated players that were also badly coached and physically developed..the triple whammy of suckitude.

"Suckitude"............... I like it... Ima have to start using that.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

transition is hard. especially for 19-20 year olds. i doubt he's lazy. probably thick headed and doesn't do change well.

i almomst equate it to chaning schools for your kids. my oldest has changed schools 3 times. she's in 6th grade. and this last change, was a step up...she's always been a good student, but things just came easy to her. she didn't have to work.

in this school....she has to work. and while she struggle some last year, adjusting to the work load, and difficulty level, she has done a good job of adjusting to her scheduule and keeping herself more organized. but she wasn't used to the work, at all. there were some realizations she had to go thru, some tough lessons. and she's still not a huge fan of how much time school eats in to her social time, time for cheerleading etc....but she now knows what it takes to do all of it, and she's doing much better with it, while maintaining A's.....

so while i don't have any trouble believing Sham is probably having some difficulty with this transition, that doesn't mean he won't eventually get where needs to be.

it's up to him, and i hope he does figure it out. i doubt he's going thru all this w/out any feedback from the coaches. just like my daughter didn't go thru her transition w/out feedback from us. can't do it for them though. at some point, they have to do it.

Man...lazy effort is lazy effort. That is what literally everybody has said is why he stays in the doghouse.

He is just one of those dudes that is too lazy to practice hard all the time. Pruiit is pushing a complete change in culture. Great programs like Bama etc. are not just great because of their great talent, that talent is worked HARD. Guys that won't work hard are thrown in the reject pile. It is nutz to me that a talented guy won't work, but I think Botch recruited guys with a promise of a laissez faire country club atmosphere.

 

[jakez4ut]

This is what I was talking about last week and this past weekend--- crazy that we have so much talent on paper, but Butch and Co had severely underdeveloped this roster... Programs like KY we see are maximizing player's potential while Butch has/had been literally wasting talent. Pruitt and Co definitely have their work cut out, but the good news is that we do actually have talent, it just needs to be coached up...

Recruiting class rankings typically forecast which college football programs will be competing for championships every year.
Tennessee is one of the outliers bucking the trend.
247Sports on Thursday unveiled its updated Team Talent Composite — the feature looks at the rosters of every FBS team and, accounting for transfers, dismissals and graduation, ranks them based on how their players ranked in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite coming out of high school — for 2018 and the Vols checked at No. 15.

Where Tennessee landed in the updated rankings isn't necessarily surprising because its past four recruiting classes were ranked fourth (2015), 14th (2016), 17th (2017) and 21st (2018) for an average recruiting finish of 14th.
However, the Vols are one of the biggest underachievers in college based on the Team Talent Composite alongside Florida State (No. 5) and UCLA (No. 19), two programs that like Tennessee have new coaches this season.

KY-- #32
Mizz-- #42
Vandy-- #45

and they all could potentially beat us.

....and it's still over rated. of the rated players on the roster, 52 of them are freshmen and sophmores.

9 are seniors, 21 are Juniors (and of this group, 5 are 1st year transfers)

so 57 rated players on this roster have been in the program 2 years or less and with a staff that's been in Knoxville for 10 months.

25 have been here for longer than 2 years, and are the true butch hold overs.

and as far as being the biggest under acheivers, well duh, that's why we have a new coach.

KY and USCE both have more experience...though not as much as one might expect...the #'s aren't that far off, with USCe having 34 rated jrs and sr's and KY with 27. so combine some more overall experience on the roster with a more experienced and stable staff (that is apparently developing their players at some poitive rate), and you start to see the difference.

and being 15th in the composite is still a far cry from where it could have been given the two top 7 classes Butch signed 4 and 5 years ago. the reality is this year's team should be much higher rated. but there's only 11 players left on the roster from that #4 rated 2015 class, and one of those is a long snapper.

you can throw up whatever ranking you want next TN's name as far as talent goes, it just doesn't tell the whole story...it's not x+y=z.

 

[RiotVol]

This is what I was talking about last week and this past weekend--- crazy that we have so much talent on paper, but Butch and Co had severely underdeveloped this roster... Programs like KY we see are maximizing player's potential while Butch has/had been literally wasting talent. Pruitt and Co definitely have their work cut out, but the good news is that we do actually have talent, it just needs to be coached up...

Recruiting class rankings typically forecast which college football programs will be competing for championships every year.
Tennessee is one of the outliers bucking the trend.
247Sports on Thursday unveiled its updated Team Talent Composite — the feature looks at the rosters of every FBS team and, accounting for transfers, dismissals and graduation, ranks them based on how their players ranked in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite coming out of high school — for 2018 and the Vols checked at No. 15.

Where Tennessee landed in the updated rankings isn't necessarily surprising because its past four recruiting classes were ranked fourth (2015), 14th (2016), 17th (2017) and 21st (2018) for an average recruiting finish of 14th.
However, the Vols are one of the biggest underachievers in college based on the Team Talent Composite alongside Florida State (No. 5) and UCLA (No. 19), two programs that like Tennessee have new coaches this season.

KY-- #32
Mizz-- #42
Vandy-- #45

and they all could potentially beat us.

When I look at that data, I wonder if the ratings for Butch's last two recruiting classes were just wrong. The fact that the headquarters for both Rivals and 247 being in Nashville makes me wonder if kids in that area are getting a familiarity/proximity bump that hasn't inflated our recruiting numbers some.

 

[jakez4ut]

Man...lazy effort is lazy effort. That is what literally everybody has said is why he stays in the doghouse.

He is just one of those dudes that is too lazy to practice hard all the time. Pruiit is pushing a complete change in culture. Great programs like Bama etc. are not just great because of their great talent, that talent is worked HARD. Guys that won't work hard are thrown in the reject pile. It is nutz to me that a talented guy won't work, but I think Botch recruited guys with a promise of a laissez faire country club atmosphere.

i just think lazy is a big word.

and i think your description of the atmosphere under butch, compared ot what it is now, is why i said i think he's struggling with the transition. it is different.

 

[HankHill]

I have notice Abernathy quietly getting better. I thought he was one of the worst players on D. He's starting to turn things around. Kongbo still looks very unnatural running around @ the LB/DE spot.

He would’ve looked more natural at Wyoming

 

[jakez4ut]

When I look at that data, I wonder if the ratings for Butch's last two recruiting classes were just wrong. The fact that the headquarters for both Rivals and 247 being in Nashville makes me wonder if kids in that area are getting a familiarity/proximity bump that hasn't inflated our recruiting numbers some.

for rivals, the kids that pay and camp at rivals camps do get bumps. that's why there's such a disparity in the TN state rankings mid state vs. west TN. Rivals is very high on mid state, 247 is higher on w. tn kids.

 

[HankHill]

Better is relative. We have a number of guys who're not going to be the players people expected they would be. Development, coaching, attitude, effort, ability, injuries, position-- a lot of things factor in. Every little bit better they can be helps the team, especially this year.

It’s a hard thing for people to accept that sometimes a Highly touted guy just isn’t good. We have a handful of those right now.

 

[SoMissVol]

I have notice Abernathy quietly getting better. I thought he was one of the worst players on D. He's starting to turn things around. Kongbo still looks very unnatural running around @ the LB/DE spot.

I have said from when his play started going down that Bob Shoop was Micah Abernathy's biggest problem. He was so good under Jancek as a freshman and was decent under Shoop the first year, but you could see the step back. It was Shoop. Abernathy is thriving now. Glad to see development instead of regression.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I have notice Abernathy quietly getting better. I thought he was one of the worst players on D. He's starting to turn things around. Kongbo still looks very unnatural running around @ the LB/DE spot.

Kongbo has a defensive tackle body with a outside linebacker mindset. It’s why he hasn’t been successful.