Vols by the numbers compared to 129 FBS teams

#28
#28
I'm sick of the "cupcakes padding" argument. Name one other team who has played against the #2 and #9 ranked teams in the country in HALF their games this season. I bet we'd look a whole lot better if we had played NO top 25 teams this season, as many who are high on the list have done.

It's not just apples to oranges. Gala's aren't Red Delicious, and neither are as good as Honeycrisps. Lists like this are not nearly as indicative as they appear.

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#29
#29
chargervol said:
His point was legitimate.
It's not just Bama, all schools play against cupcakes. Our numbers are bad but how are our stats padded if everyone is doing the same?
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Cupcakes and weak conferences will pad stats and make decent teams look great but teams like Bama, OSU, UGA, all perform well against ranked and unranked. So Bama might have their stats padded by week 4 but after a full season it's apparent that they are legit.
 
#30
#30
Titans Fan said:
The worst is red zone defense. Tied for last.
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Red zone defense as a percentage is not a very good measuring stick to me. Ole Miss is 49th, yet they have been scored on, from the red zone, 24 times, including 16 tds. We are tied for last but only given up 14 scores with 5 being field goals. If you are not getting any turnovers in the red zone, then your numbers are skewed.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
more than likely....we have some good players, and some not so good players.
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Noone denies a bit of a talent gap, but to say the coaches are getting all they can out of these players is just a failure to be objective and not wanting to criticize the coaching staff at all. I get it, because somehow crticizing the coach somehow means you want them fired after an incomplete pass and for some coach worship is the only hope for the future.
 
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volfannbama said:
Noone denies a bit of a talent gap, but to say the coaches are getting all they can out of these players is just a failure to be objective and not wanting to criticize the coaching staff at all. I get it, because somehow crticizing the coach somehow means you want them fired after an incomplete pass and for some coach worship is the only hope for the future.
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Dont criticize player execution either because then you have "something personal" against them. I think its best to just blame the fans.
 
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#36
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volfannbama said:
Lol
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JMO....but the Defense, QB, WR's are all playing better than last year. RB's about the same. The OL, well, what can be said about that. They are worse only because Trey Smith isn't right.
Based on that, the coaching is better, so it's Talent!
 
#37
#37
peaygolf said:
JMO....but the Defense, QB, WR's are all playing better than last year. RB's about the same. The OL, well, what can be said about that. They are worse only because Trey Smith isn't right.
Based on that, the coaching is better, so it's Talent!
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The coaching doesnt gameplan around a known weakness. They started out the uga hame doing so with some effectiveness then reverted back. We have play makers on o, we just limit their chances to make plays because we dont get the ball away from the line quickly.
The d coaching is pretty solid as you would expect. Tackling is pretty real bad. Secondary and lb leave alot to be desired but that seems to be lack of effort and of course when the d line plays good it makes your whole look much better.
 
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volfannbama said:
The coaching doesnt gameplan around a known weakness. They started out the uga hame doing so with some effectiveness then reverted back. We have play makers on o, we just limit their chances to make plays because we dont get the ball away from the line quickly.
The d coaching is pretty solid as you would expect. Tackling is pretty real bad. Secondary and lb leave alot to be desired but that seems to be lack of effort and of course when the d line plays good it makes your whole look much better.
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I see that. So, I'll agree to say that it's 15% coaching and 85% talent.
 
#41
#41
If our loses are solely happening because of a lack of talent alone, then given the fact that we are giving up ~400 yards a game, and losing by 4 or more scores, then it's doubtful that Pruitt will accrue enough "talent" over the entirety of his 6-year contract to start winning. Between natural attrition, injuries, and the inevitable busts, we'll never have a loaded roster of 4-5 *s on both side of the ball.
 
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#42
#42
Didn’t the offense get to play against those same cupcakes and pad their stats too? Guess that’s why they couldn’t crack the top 100
 
#43
#43
BeardedVol said:
If our loses are solely happening because of a lack of talent alone, then given the fact that we are giving up ~400 yards a game, and losing by 4 or more scores, then it's doubtful that Pruitt will accrue enough "talent" over the entirety of his 6-year contract to start winning. Between natural attrition, injuries, and the inevitable busts, we'll never have a loaded roster of 4-5 *s on both side of the ball.
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They should fire the whole bunch and start over... maybe Belichick is tired of coaching in New England
 
#46
#46
dcm3w said:
Cupcakes and weak conferences will pad stats and make decent teams look great but teams like Bama, OSU, UGA, all perform well against ranked and unranked. So Bama might have their stats padded by week 4 but after a full season it's apparent that they are legit.
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That wasn't what he said.
Our stats can't be padded because everyone has played cupcakes. So all the stats are equal. That was his point, doesn't matter if it's Bama or any other team.
Not that Alabama isn't legitament.
 
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chargervol said:
That wasn't what he said.
Our stats can't be padded because everyone has played cupcakes. So all the stats are equal. That was his point, doesn't matter if it's Bama or any other team.
Not that Alabama isn't legitament.
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Bama has played a bad Louisville team, a bad Ole Miss team, an average Texas A&M team, the Ragin Cajuns and Arkansas State. 12-12 record combined. Let's wait before we make the claim that they are unbeatable
 
#49
#49
VolFan..But said:
Bama has played a bad Louisville team, a bad Ole Miss team, an average Texas A&M team, the Ragin Cajuns and Arkansas State. 12-12 record combined. Let's wait before we make the claim that they are unbeatable
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Especially considering they play at Death Valley. Could be a good game this year
 
#50
#50
chargervol said:
That wasn't what he said.
Our stats can't be padded because everyone has played cupcakes. So all the stats are equal. That was his point, doesn't matter if it's Bama or any other team.
Not that Alabama isn't legitament.
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Alabama is the antithesis of stat padding. They quite literally, play every team they play at the same level. The determining factor in the final stats/score is at what point in the game they start putting in the 2nd-4th string players.

We aren't the only team that benefit from cupcake stat padding when it comes to these sorts of ratings, it's just more apparent because of the gulf between our performances against the cupcakes vs those against P5 opponents.
 
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