Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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volfanngatorland said:
Hindsight, sure.

At the time, zero chance. Preseason top 10 team coming into the year
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Nah there was plenty of reason right at the end of that season before the bowl game. They probably could have done it midseason with some of the Crowder stuff if Hart’d had the balls. Moron got played by Butch’s agent at the end of 2014 and couldn’t admit his mistake though.
 
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RiotVol said:
Was that Currie or Hart that made that call?
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Hart I think. But hindsight in 20/20.

There were a few people (myself included) advocating for terminating his contract at that time but the vast, vast majority was behind Butch and would’ve done anything to keep him.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Nah there was plenty of reason right at the end of that season before the bowl game. They probably could have done it midseason with some of the Crowder stuff if Hart’d had the balls. Moron got played by Butch’s agent at the end of 2014 and couldn’t admit his mistake though.
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There was zero chance anyone anywhere is getting fired in that situation.

End of year 3 he had gone from 5 to 7 to 9 wins. Coming off a top 5 recruiting class. Picked to win the East. Preseason top 10. National media was picking us as a playoff dark horse.

Ludicrous.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Hart I think. But hindsight in 20/20.

There were a few people (myself included) advocating for terminating his contract at that time but the vast, vast majority was behind Butch and would’ve done anything to keep him.
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I can admit I was hoodwinked into thinking the program was in better shape than what it was.
 
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RiotVol said:
I can admit I was hoodwinked into thinking the program was in better shape than what it was.
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I think it was justified. Things were looking up. I didn’t think he was a great coach by any stretch but the on field results didn’t justify firing him to that point. Honestly at that point I was hoping another program would come hire him so he’d pay us a buyout and we could make an upgrade.

But I think it’s important to take a stand when stuff like the Title IX issue came up. We should have fired him for some of the stuff he did/said behind the scenes. Hart got fired over Butch’s issues - why not just the fire the main issue?
 
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Skizer41 said:
What was Ainge saying?
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jakez4ut said:
was just taking some of pruitt's comments about "these players have been thru a lot of negativity the past few years" in to some more detail. talked about how a lot of the players had to make up for a lot of Jones' shortcomings, and not jusut on the field. spent some decent time talking about the times when Jones bailed on post game press conferences and left it up to players to field questions. talked about there being a lot more to why some of these players are the way they are than just the football part. and how that translates for Pruitt, trying to build this back up. just a bigger job than most of us know, and that many of us as fans just sometimes "forget" all those trials and tribulations a lot of these players have been thru.

talked about how a player handles that...you're winless in the conference, you're embarrassed, you're battered and bruised, and now you gotta field questions on the "state of the program" cause you're coach didn't or isn't there to do so.

said he doesn't really believe in "moral victories' here, but was encouraged by the fact that pruitt is not only aware of it, but acknowledges it, and why it's a good thing we saw what we saw post game Saturday.
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Any time you fire a coach "early," you run the risk of making potential hires wonder if you're a school that pulls the trigger too fast.

In 2011 Dooley was in year 2 and had a bunch of injuries.

In 2016, Butch equaled 9 wins and beat Florida (also a good number of injuries).

It's always easier on the administration when it's more obvious like 2012 and 2017.
 
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WriterVol said:
Any time you fire a coach "early," you run the risk of making potential hires wonder if you're a school that pulls the trigger too fast.

In 2011 Dooley was in year 2 and had a bunch of injuries.

In 2016, Butch equaled 9 wins and beat Florida (also a good number of injuries).

It's always easier on the administration when it's more obvious like 2012 and 2017.
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just because it's easy, doens't mean it's right.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Agreed on Butch. Dooley has those awful injuries the year before that made it tough. Bray missed a lot of time, Hunter blew his ACL... there were a lot more I can’t recall. KY game aside, he deserved another year... and failed
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The time to fire someone is when you realize they're the wrong person for the job. Keeping someone who can't do what they were hired to do costs more in the long run than cutting a deal to remove them. It benefits both parties to move on without the acrimony that results when the failures become bigger and more visible-- as they inevitably do. Dooley realized this and wanted out a year before it all blew up. Butch would have hung around and taken the program lower without ever admitting he had Peter Principled long before.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
-- Simonton


The VQ guys said during the summer that DWA has made it no secret that he wants to be a 1 and done kid, and wants to be in the league this time next year.... I'm really hoping he realizes how much better off he'd be sticking around another season. We will need him next year, but he could need it more in the long run.

Sometimes these kids get their heart set on chasing money, but odds are this kid wouldn't even be drafted (or invited to the combine) based on his performance thus far.
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DWA is a glorified WR like Evan Engram was. He will never be a good pass blocker.
 
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