Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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InVOLuntary said:
If we would have hired a 8, 9, 10 win coach a few years ago, we'd be in a lot better place right now. We talk about higher ceilings and lower floors. Since firing Fulmer w'eve been experimenting with coaches that we gambled on as having lower floors and higher ceilings. Problem is they were lower floors and lower ceilings. Obviously, the Coach Pruitt chapter has yet to be written. If we'd have a hired a 8-9 win coach that could sustain that over several years, then the job would have been much more attractive to a coach that has the potential to take it to the next level. All conjecture on my part.
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I remember thinking that's how the Jones era would play out, especially after the 2016 season. Figured he would get fired in a year or two and the next guy would hit the ground running with a decent roster.
 
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was just taking some of pruitt's comments about "these players have been thru a lot of negativity the past few years" in to some more detail. talked about how a lot of the players had to make up for a lot of Jones' shortcomings, and not jusut on the field. spent some decent time talking about the times when Jones bailed on post game press conferences and left it up to players to field questions. talked about there being a lot more to why some of these players are the way they are than just the football part. and how that translates for Pruitt, trying to build this back up. just a bigger job than most of us know, and that many of us as fans just sometimes "forget" all those trials and tribulations a lot of these players have been thru.

talked about how a player handles that...you're winless in the conference, you're embarrassed, you're battered and bruised, and now you gotta field questions on the "state of the program" cause you're coach didn't or isn't there to do so.

said he doesn't really believe in "moral victories' here, but was encouraged by the fact that pruitt is not only aware of it, but acknowledges it, and why it's a good thing we saw what we saw post game Saturday.
 
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Aesius said:
I remember thinking that's how the Jones era would play out, especially after the 2016 season. Figured he would get fired in a year or two and the next guy would hit the ground running with a decent roster.
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We fired him one year too late. He didn't want to be here after the '16 season. Wheels were coming off and he knew it. Recruiting tanked and some kids left that may not have otherwise. Same with Dooley.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
We fired him one year too late. He didn't want to be here after the '16 season. Wheels were coming off and he knew it. Recruiting tanked and some kids left that may not have otherwise. Same with Dooley.
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Yeah, things spiraled out of control so fast under Jones. It was like he didn't have any plan to replace what he had been building since 2013. And once those guys were gone, the roster was just barren and the talent that was still around was poorly coached and underdeveloped as players and from a strength and conditioning standpoint.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
We fired him one year too late. He didn't want to be here after the '16 season. Wheels were coming off and he knew it. Recruiting tanked and some kids left that may not have otherwise. Same with Dooley.
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yep. i would have been fine with firing him after the Vandy game in 2015.

and there were some decent coaches available that year that wound up in some pretty good spots. Dino Babers and Justin Fuente to name a couple. to a lesser degree so was Will Muschamp. and Kirby Smart...lol.
 
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Aesius said:
I remember thinking that's how the Jones era would play out, especially after the 2016 season. Figured he would get fired in a year or two and the next guy would hit the ground running with a decent roster.
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That's what I thought as well. I thought he'd be our Zook.
 
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Leach would have been awesome if he would have brought his DC along, but he took off on his own. Maybe with SEC $$ he could have poached a good DC.

Pruitt’s benefit is the support staff system that is now in place, which Leach would have had no clue about. Leach can put up 500 yards of offense with 2* players. His recruiting would probably not be that great, but his system works. Maybe he could have improved in this area with the right staff too.

I fully agree that he would average about 8 wins per year, with occasional peaks above that. I would love to be able to go into a game thinking, “we’re going to get our 40... can the other guys keep up?”
 
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InVOLuntary said:
We fired him one year too late. He didn't want to be here after the '16 season. Wheels were coming off and he knew it. Recruiting tanked and some kids left that may not have otherwise. Same with Dooley.
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There was no real way to justify firing him. Sure 2016 fell apart and we saw issues from game 1 of that season but his record was 9-4. We would've gotten murdered in the national media for it and I don't know how attractive the job would've looked to potential coaches given the turmoil the program has been in.

Dooley on the other hand could've and should've been fired a year earlier.
 
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UTProf said:
There was no real way to justify firing him. Sure 2016 fell apart and we saw issues from game 1 of that season but his record was 9-4. We would've gotten murdered in the national media for it and I don't know how attractive the job would've looked to potential coaches given the turmoil the program has been in.
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he lost to vandy back to back with the two best teams he had while he was here.

we should have have fired him.
 
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jakez4ut said:
he lost to vandy back to back with the two best teams he had while he was here.

we should have have fired him.
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Not saying we shouldn't have just that there was no real justification for it to anyone outside of fans. Firing him after a 9-4 season when that was the best season we'd had in years would not have played well.
 
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UTProf said:
There was no real way to justify firing him. Sure 2016 fell apart and we saw issues from game 1 of that season but his record was 9-4. We would've gotten murdered in the national media for it and I don't know how attractive the job would've looked to potential coaches given the turmoil the program has been in.

Dooley on the other hand could've and should've been fired a year earlier.
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Agreed on Butch. Dooley has those awful injuries the year before that made it tough. Bray missed a lot of time, Hunter blew his ACL... there were a lot more I can’t recall. KY game aside, he deserved another year... and failed
 
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UTProf said:
There was no real way to justify firing him. Sure 2016 fell apart and we saw issues from game 1 of that season but his record was 9-4. We would've gotten murdered in the national media for it and I don't know how attractive the job would've looked to potential coaches given the turmoil the program has been in.

Dooley on the other hand could've and should've been fired a year earlier.
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There was justification for firing him but it was not made public. He was trying every way in the world to get out. He was hoping to ride a wave of success into another job after the 16 season and then the wheels came off. I have no doubt had Coach Fulmer been AD he would have been gone. Remember we were in transition with the AD too.
 
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UTProf said:
There was no real way to justify firing him. Sure 2016 fell apart and we saw issues from game 1 of that season but his record was 9-4. We would've gotten murdered in the national media for it and I don't know how attractive the job would've looked to potential coaches given the turmoil the program has been in.

Dooley on the other hand could've and should've been fired a year earlier.
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Well, there's this. https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/us/tennessee-title-ix-lawsuit/index.html

The lawsuit specifically listed incidents that occurred during his time. I know I'm skating dangerously close to the "no politics in the recruiting forum" rule here, so I'll just say that people have been fired for less.
 
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Aesius said:
We beat Vandy in 2015.
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that's right. i was thinking 16 and 17...brain fart.

nevermind...lol.

i will say, i wouldn't have felt bad firing him after the 16 season though. the way that season ended was just absolutely awful, and i didn't have any hope for him at that point.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
There was justification for firing him but it was not made public. He was trying every way in the world to get out. He was hoping to ride a wave of success into another job after the 16 season and then the wheels came off. I have no doubt had Coach Fulmer been AD he would have been gone. Remember we were in transition with the AD too.
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i think that was really the only thing that saved him after the 2016 season.
 
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Butch should have been fired at the end of
The 2015 regular season. Would have given us a chance to lure in a good coach because of the talent on the roster, a chance to bring in a much better 2017 recruiting class, and a possible chance to avoid the big drop off in 2017.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Butch should have been fired at the end of
The 2015 regular season. Would have given us a chance to lure in a good coach because of the talent on the roster, a chance to bring in a much better 2017 recruiting class, and a possible chance to avoid the big drop off in 2017.
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Hindsight, sure.

At the time, zero chance. Preseason top 10 team coming into the year
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Butch should have been fired at the end of
The 2015 regular season. Would have given us a chance to lure in a good coach because of the talent on the roster, a chance to bring in a much better 2017 recruiting class, and a possible chance to avoid the big drop off in 2017.
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Been hard to justify with the positive outlook on '16 but I sure as heck wouldn't have minded it.
 
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