By year 2...

#77
#77
McDad said:
Thanks. That help me understand.

I CAN see that too but not sure I WILL see it next year. And, furthermore, we could lose some heartbreaking games while compiling a lackluster record...and still show improvement compares to this year so far.
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well, we could do a lot of things...................just knowing what we know right now and following some semblence of a logical path of progression, i think you could see/expect it to go 5, 7, 9, if things progress like we think they can/should/will.....

until it happens, sure, the opposite could happen.
 
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#78
The Original Fade said:
I’ll add this: unless we land 3-4 classes in a row ranked in the top 10, we’re looking at another decade of 6-6 and 7-5s
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c'mon, fade. The right coach could easily go 9-3 with classes consistently ranked between 11-20. Heck he might even be able to steal a game against UF ever 5th year or so.
 
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#79
jakez4ut said:
well, we could do a lot of things...................just knowing what we know right now and following some semblence of a logical path of progression, i think you could see/expect it to go 5, 7, 9, if things progress like we think they can/should/will.....

until it happens, sure, the opposite could happen.
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You're expecting 5 wins this year?
 
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The Original Fade said:
I’ll add this: unless we land 3-4 classes in a row ranked in the top 10, we’re looking at another decade of 6-6 and 7-5s
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this class has the chance to be top 10.

the 2020 class could be one of the better classes we've signed in a long time...loooong way to go before we get there, but that class in general looks to be reall loaded on all fronts, and this staff hasn't wasted any time getting it started.

long story short, i don't know that every class has to be like that. but yeah, we do need a couple of foundation classes for sure.

no one will every argue with getting as many blue chip guys in here as possible. but i do think this staff has shown some ability in evaluating talent. so i won't get angry at a top 15 class.

but you can't make a living in this conference year in and year out if you want to be a contender signing classes outside the top 20 either.

so i get your point.
 
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#81
McDad said:
You're expecting 5 wins this year?
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based on what i've seen so far? it's what i hope for. won't be surprised with 4 though. i can't tell you with any confidence that i think we're capable of beating anone other than Vandy and UNCC left on the schedule.

i just think we'll get one more somewhere. hopefully. if not, i won't be surprised.

in the off season, i had us at 6, with a celing of 7. i've obviously adjusted that now.
 
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Volatility said:
I don’t think that’s realistic. Not because Pruitt’s not a good coach(too early to tell), but Saban and Smart had inherited much more favorable circumstances.
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This. Saban has a good roster (not Saban-esque, but good) because Shula was a decent recruiter. Smart had a ton of talent that he walked into as well.

I do not believe Pruitt inherited a roster anywhere near what either of those guys walked into.
 
#83
#83
I expect to see improvement in play not as far as wins but play
Year 3 and 4 is were I believe we see more wins
 
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#84
In what world could anyone think Tennessee could compete in year 2 of CJP? To compare the program to what Saban did at Bama is unfair to him. Saban was a proven HC and well Bama can recruit like no ones business.
 
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#86
Wait, did someone really say on this thread that Alabama was in no better shape than Tennessee when Saban took over? Really? REALLY? That Alabama team was light years ahead of where this Tennessee team is at.

Maybe instead of the Smart and Saban comparisons, we should be comparing our situation to Kentucky's. It took Mark Stoops three losing seasons before he finally got to a bowl game in Year 4. Despite all the criticism, all the talk about him being on the hot seat, he quietly and methodically went about his business, recruiting the right players for his system and getting the pieces of the puzzle in place. Now look where he's at in Year 6.
 
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Biso said:
Wait, did someone really say on this thread that Alabama was in no better shape than Tennessee when Saban took over? Really? REALLY? That Alabama team was light years ahead of where this Tennessee team is at.

Maybe instead of the Smart and Saban comparisons, we should be comparing our situation to Kentucky's. It took Mark Stoops three losing seasons before he finally got to a bowl game in Year 4. Despite all the criticism, all the talk about him being on the hot seat, he quietly and methodically went about his business, recruiting the right players for his system and getting the pieces of the puzzle in place. Now look where he's at in Year 6.
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He's behind UGA. Just like us.
 
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EZE said:
Most definitely. The schedule next year is much easier.

How many teams will out talent UT next season outside of Alabama and Georgia...and maybe Florida?
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How many teams out talent us this year outside those you mentioned?
 
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99gator said:
They were better off than Tennessee is now. It’s not even close. They went to bowls the 3 years prior to Saban’s arrival.

The worst loss for Alabama in 2006 (Shula’s last year) was by 15 on the road to eventual national champion, Florida.

In addition, Saban added pieces from the 2nd year recruiting class like Julio Jones.

Night and day
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I've said this a million times but people still feel the need to compare Saban and Pruitt and your right its not even close...Saban went 6-6 his first year because he ran off half the team and the following year he won 10 games...UT will not do that until we cut out the cancers from the team...Not sold on Pruitt at all and wasn't to begin with but I am giving him the chance to change my mind.
 
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bigorangecrush89 said:
Not only did Saban have Bama in elite position in year two, in his "bad" 6-6 year one, all of Bama's losses were one possession games. They were very competitive in all their losses, and even upset a couple of ranked teams. We havent seen that with Pruitt so far at all. UT has been embarassed in both games against opponents with a pulse. So these comparisons only go so far.
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Hoping every next coach we hire is Saban or Saban like is setting ourselves up for disappointment. I hate Bama but he is the greatest coach currently. Also he went to Bama with a lots of HC experience and a national championship. Pruitt is still learning the HC job.
Smart is a good comparison. He did have a better team his first and second year at GA and took a huge leap from first to second year. I would realistically look for huge leap from year 1 to 2 for Pruitt. If we win 4-5 games this year, may be 7-8 games next year is that target.
 
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#93
McDad said:
c'mon, fade. The right coach could easily go 9-3 with classes consistently ranked between 11-20. Heck he might even be able to steal a game against UF ever 5th year or so.
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Nope. SEC is too competitive. You can have the 15rh ranked class nationally but 7th in the SEC and be behind the 8 ball.
 
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#95
All of this is assuming Pruitt wants to continue being the head coach here considering the impatience of this fan base.
 
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jboyinmiss said:
All of this is assuming Pruitt wants to continue being the head coach here considering the impatience of this fan base.
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lol. i think if anything, what's happened so far this season has increased the patience level, overall, of the fanbase.

there's no where to really hide the talent gap now. and just how far there is to go with the jimmies and the joes.
 
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jakez4ut said:
this class has the chance to be top 10.

the 2020 class could be one of the better classes we've signed in a long time...loooong way to go before we get there, but that class in general looks to be reall loaded on all fronts, and this staff hasn't wasted any time getting it started.

long story short, i don't know that every class has to be like that. but yeah, we do need a couple of foundation classes for sure.

no one will every argue with getting as many blue chip guys in here as possible. but i do think this staff has shown some ability in evaluating talent. so i won't get angry at a top 15 class.

but you can't make a living in this conference year in and year out if you want to be a contender signing classes outside the top 20 either.

so i get your point.
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I have very little faith in recruiting rankings. I think they give you a general idea of the quality of talent that a school is attracting, but I'll never be convinced that there is a material difference between being ranked 7 verses 13. Is there a difference between 3 and 27? Probably, but if you're in that top group, you're probably getting guys that have the physical talent to win at the FBS level. The rest is up to the coaches.

First of all, if you go through the top dozen or so, they are all really close. If a team has two more five stars than another, but four less four stars, does that really mean a whole lot? The rankings are somewhat arbitrary.

Secondly, there is a certain "chicken and egg" argument to recruiting. Good coaches know how to evaluate talent. They don't rank the players with stars. But, they know talent. So, when you have a guy that is a "tweener" in the star ranking system, he can get moved up if certain coaches are recruiting him. How many times have you seen a guy jump as soon as 'Bamer or Clemson offers?

Finally, even if the "stars" are reasonably accurate, they only represent a snapshot in time. If it's an interior guy, how is he going to respond to heavy strength training. If it's a RB, will he keep his speed if you put 20 lbs of muscle on him? You just don't know these kinds of things.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I have very little faith in recruiting rankings. I think they give you a general idea of the quality of talent that a school is attracting, but I'll never be convinced that there is a material difference between being ranked 7 verses 13. Is there a difference between 3 and 27? Probably, but if you're in that top group, you're probably getting guys that have the physical talent to win at the FBS level. The rest is up to the coaches.

First of all, if you go through the top dozen or so, they are all really close. If a team has two more five stars than another, but four less four stars, does that really mean a whole lot? The rankings are somewhat arbitrary.

Secondly, there is a certain "chicken and egg" argument to recruiting. Good coaches know how to evaluate talent. They don't rank the players with stars. But, they know talent. So, when you have a guy that is a "tweener" in the star ranking system, he can get moved up if certain coaches are recruiting him. How many times have you seen a guy jump as soon as 'Bamer or Clemson offers?

Finally, even if the "stars" are reasonably accurate, they only represent a snapshot in time. If it's an interior guy, how is he going to respond to heavy strength training. If it's a RB, will he keep his speed if you put 20 lbs of muscle on him? You just don't know these kinds of things.
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i don't disagree with a single thing in this post. i'm not sure if it was meant to counter something i said or not, but yeah, in general, you're pretty much right on all counts here.

i think the disparity in the rankings has something to it, kinda like what you said.

and pulling it back a bit for a wider view.....the problem with being ranked in a certain tier in this conference is that you have 1/2 a dozen or more teams in the SEC every year ranked in or around the top 15. and the contenders are hanging around the top 7 or better.

so i'm with you on the actual ranking. i do think there's something to being in a certain tier. if you're consistently in top 12-15, it's going to be harder to compete with someone that's consistently in the top 3 or 4.

the closer that gap gets, regardless of the actual rank, the more competitive, generally speaking, you are with each other.

in the end, if you recruit a bunch of 4 and 5*'s and don't develop them while they're here, or hang on to them, it won't matter much. as we found out with our last staff. they were really good at getting that # next to our name in the recruiting rankings.

not so much at the other stuff. i think this staff, will probably do a little of both...........
 
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