Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[bignewt]

So they didn’t go study film Sunday?

Apparently they did. Does it matter? Nope.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

 

[JAllen18]

Ouch

 

[McGeesPub]

Well, if I didn’t laugh, I’d cry.

 

[McGeesPub]

This may have been a recent topic here, but during the 2010 Alabama week, the new jersies from Adidas were a much bigger topic during the game. Maybe we can deflect with wardrobe matters.

 

[jakez4ut]

 

[LA Vol]

London’s contributing but not to a point where you burn 3 or 4 years of a freshman you could theoretically take. Just my opinion.

And if JG goes down I don’t think there’s a big difference between Chryst and McBride in regards to contributing to wins.

IIRC, we took London because we couldn't get another FR RB that Pruitt liked. We were fortunate to get Banks.

I think we're going to need London and Chryst a lot. Those big bodies are going to be essential when other players get dinged up. Chandler and JG have already missed PT due to injury and they can't keep taking the hits week after week against teams much more physical than those we've played. I can see us having to play all three QBs, plus Shrout selectively in a few games, to get through a brutal season.

 

[volfanCLT]

Apparently they did. Does it matter? Nope.

Can’t agree with watching film doesn’t matter. Crazy talk

 

[bignewt]

Can’t agree with watching film doesn’t matter. Crazy talk

You know what I'm saying contrarian.

 

[volfanCLT]

You know what I'm saying contrarian.

I know you’ve apparently been emotionally damaged since the game Saturday and have said many things that don’t make much sense

Watching film doesn’t matter is just the one I’ve pointed out

 

[bignewt]

I know you’ve apparently been emotionally damaged since the game Saturday and have said many things that don’t make much sense

Watching film doesn’t matter is just the one I’ve pointed out

Watching film of that travesty on Sunday will make little to no difference this year. That is not this team's problem. Point out what else I've said makes little sense.

 

[jakez4ut]

IIRC, we took London because we couldn't get another FR RB that Pruitt liked. We were fortunate to get Banks.

I think we're going to need London and Chryst a lot. Those big bodies are going to be essential when other players get dinged up. Chandler and JG have already missed PT due to injury and they can't keep taking the hits week after week against teams much more physical than those we've played. I can see us having to play all three QBs, plus Shrout selectively in a few games, to get through a brutal season.

the only thing i'd say to that is while JG has defnitely taken his fair share of hits, that hit on Saturday night, dirty or not, was the closest thing he's had to a serious injury.

that doesn't mean they don't need to protect him better. we are playing russian roulette with him, at some point he's not going to get up......so i get your point.

i just don't think he's as fragile as some try to make him out to be.

all that said, the next time we decide to play chryst, i would like to see him actually play. run the offense. mop up duty or no, i feel like even when he's been in, minus the one play against ETSU, he's just been kinda out there. not really in the offense.

London has shown me enough, he's pretty good. he's not dynamic. but i think he's a better version of what we though Jordon might be, if that makes sense. i think Banks and chandler would be the 1, 2 punch we'd like to be able to go with most regularly, but Banks has to not put it on the ground.

shrout needs reps, but they only way i'd play him is in mop up duty, and i wouldn't flirt with breaking the RS rule.

 

[volfanCLT]

Watching film of that travesty on Sunday will make little to no difference this year. That is not this team's problem. Point out what else I've said makes little sense.

So they shouldn’t watch film? Just skip it all together because you don’t think that’s this teams problem?

I don’t get your argument on this at all

 

[bignewt]

So they shouldn’t watch film? Just skip it all together because you don’t think that’s this teams problem?

I don’t get your argument on this at all

Shouldn't they watch film ANYWAY? Is it really a groundbreaking story that after their pants were pulled down and they were kicked face first into the mud that they came in to watch it on film the next day? Is that what is going to turn this around?

 

[jakez4ut]

Shouldn't they watch film ANYWAY? Is it really a groundbreaking story that after their pants were pulled down and they were kicked face first into the mud that they came in to watch it on film the next day? Is that what is going to turn this around?

kinda like my kids wanting a 'treat' after they eat their dinner or perform some othe mundane task.

i'm like, "you're supposed to do that, you don't get rewards for doing the bare minimums" lol.

that said, i think if there is one little positive one was going to take from this whole film session deal it's that somoene other than a coach stepped up and made it happen.

the one thing this team needs very desperately is leadership. sucks that it takes a performance like Saturday to instigate that, but it just needs to happen one way or the other.

but no, the film study thing was going to happen, win or lose, and won't have any bearing on any future result, that i agree with.

 

[HankHill]

Shouldn't they watch film ANYWAY? Is it really a groundbreaking story that after their pants were pulled down and they were kicked face first into the mud that they came in to watch it on film the next day? Is that what is going to turn this around?

Probably just looking for any positive and showing the players aren’t giving up or feeling sorry themselves.

We’re not any good. It is what it is. Doesn’t mean there can’t be positives from this year

 

[bignewt]

Its just your standard fluff piece story after the team has been completely manhandled the Saturday before...oh look they came in on their own to watch film. Sure sounds familiar...

 

[volfanCLT]

Shouldn't they watch film ANYWAY? Is it really a groundbreaking story that after their pants were pulled down and they were kicked face first into the mud that they came in to watch it on film the next day? Is that what is going to turn this around?

Of course they should watch film anyways, which is why your statement that film doesn’t matter made no sense.

I didnt see anyone say it was a groundbreaking story or even imply that.

Yes film study is one component that will help turn this around. No question.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Culture. What does culture mean when it comes to college football?

It’s the reason Nick Saban is the greatest coach in college football history and why Dabo Swinney has turned Clemson into a superpower. It’s why Kirby Smart is such a genius and why Urban Meyer got a three-game suspension instead of being fired in the Zach Smith scandal.

Culture, to me, is the vibe that players rock to on a daily basis in a college football program. Is that vibe a winning hum or a tone of negativity? That’s the difference between a culture of winning and losing.

Why am I going on and on about this? Because as I watch teams like Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State, UCLA and others try to change the culture of their football teams under new and talented coaches, I become more and more impressed with Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia and others. The challenge is great, as we can see at especially Nebraska and UCLA early on. To build a winning culture you need to find older players who are will buy into winning, lead your team and teach the younger players how to carry on that tradition.

Unfortunately at many programs with a coaching change, the culture has already been established and must be broken, so finding those leaders is not easy. Often times you have to turn to younger players to become your leaders before they are ready and it takes years for them to mature and teach those that come behind them. This is why turning around programs is so difficult.

And what do you do with the older players who are used to losing? What about the players that seem to give up, as we saw when Nebraska lost to Michigan and Tennessee lost to Florida? Do you bench them? Cut them? Are they infecting your younger players with their negativity and lack of fight?

So as you criticize Scott Frost, Jeremy Pruitt, Chip Kelly, Willie Taggart and others, just remember how difficult their job is. They each inherited teams from coaches who were horrible leaders and never built a true culture of success and winning (or in Florida State’s case, a coach who just gave up on the program) and it will take time to turn things around. In the meantime, marvel at the job that Saban, Swinney, Meyer and Smart have done at their respective programs because it isn’t easy. In fact, it’s one of the hardest things you can accomplish at the college football level.

Rivals

 

[LA Vol]

the only thing i'd say to that is while JG has defnitely taken his fair share of hits, that hit on Saturday night, dirty or not, was the closest thing he's had to a serious injury.

that doesn't mean they don't need to protect him better. we are playing russian roulette with him, at some point he's not going to get up......so i get your point.

i just don't think he's as fragile as some try to make him out to be.

all that said, the next time we decide to play chryst, i would like to see him actually play. run the offense. mop up duty or no, i feel like even when he's been in, minus the one play against ETSU, he's just been kinda out there. not really in the offense.

London has shown me enough, he's pretty good. he's not dynamic. but i think he's a better version of what we though Jordon might be, if that makes sense. i think Banks and chandler would be the 1, 2 punch we'd like to be able to go with most regularly, but Banks has to not put it on the ground.

shrout needs reps, but they only way i'd play him is in mop up duty, and i wouldn't flirt with breaking the RS rule.

I think JG is tough. I just don't think he can take the kind of pounding he took without getting dinged up and missing PT. He missed a good chunk of the UF game, with two separate injuries. That's two injuries in half a game against a team less physical than the next three teams on our schedule. UGA, Auburn and Bama will come after the QB, too, and take shots if they can get away with it. So I think we'll have to play multiple QBs out of necessity. I agree that they should open up playcalling for Chryst and see how he can help us.

Since Pruitt wants RB by committee, we'll need all four. Chandler has the speed and Banks has the upside, but Jordan and London can pick up yardage. I wish Fant could be another option, but he doesn't seem to have impressed the coaches. And they really need to let the QBs throw. If we're going to take a loss, let's take it using all of our weapons.

 

[JAllen18]

Agreed, I think it takes a min of 3 years for your culture to be installed.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Agreed, I think it takes a min of 3 years for your culture to be installed.

So, you don’t think Georgia has a “culture” yet?

If the coaching staff is worth a damn at selling a vision and getting buy in from a roster, it shouldn’t take more than a year.

That doesn’t mean it will be perfect. But you should have a team behind its coaches with players doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

 

[jakez4ut]

So, you don’t think Georgia has a “culture” yet?

If the coaching staff is worth a damn at selling a vision and getting buy in from a roster, it shouldn’t take more than a year.

That doesn’t mean it will be perfect. But you should have a team behind its coaches with players doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

hm. the situations were different. Smart was a commodity when came on board. he was UGA's 1st choice. there wasn't a debacle left behind for him to clean up. that whole move was about getting to the next level...good to great.

probably not a hard sell to be honest, and that was evidenced by how many stayed their sr. year on defense. not that his job was "easy", but it didn't come with the ready made issues that some of these other guys, pruitt included, walked in to.

that and kirby's roster was just a lot better, so he was able to get some results a lot earlier on. a lot easier to sell the vision to recruits. they really weren't that far away.

i'm not 100% convinved that pruitt hasn't gotten his point about what he wants the culture to be across to this roster yet. we haven't had a lot of guys bail on the program up to this point, and usually, you do see more that earlier on than we have.

now, the season has started, it's not going well, there's really no place to hide if you suck. it's on film, you know why you're not playing as much as you think you should, and sure, there's maybe some discontent on the roster...now. how much really exists? i don't know. but he has to stay consistent and true to what he believes in as far as how you build it. if you say practice determines if you play, then that has to actually mean something. so if some guys think because they had a good game last week or had some good plays, and that will get them on the field more next week, and they don't do the work in practice, he's got to stick to his guns, even if it ruffles feathers. you lose credibility with the younger guys, and they wont' buy in either.

just gotta swallow hard, and keep doing what you believe you need to, even at the expense of some short term head aches. which we're going thru now, and will continue to go thru for a little while longer.

i think the bigger issue for this roster, and the bigger challenge for this staff is the loser mentality, avoiding the "here we go again" "new boss is same as the old boss" type thoughts.

in that regard, i think pruitt has a much tougher road to hoe than Smart did.

 

[VEKZY]

So, you don’t think Georgia has a “culture” yet?

If the coaching staff is worth a damn at selling a vision and getting buy in from a roster, it shouldn’t take more than a year.

That doesn’t mean it will be perfect. But you should have a team behind its coaches with players doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

Georgia players were also coming off of back to back 10 win seasons. Buying into a winning culture would be much easier for them.

And I guarantee you that Richt’s culture was much more similar to Smart’s than Butch’s was to Pruitt’s.

 

[volfanCLT]

So, you don’t think Georgia has a “culture” yet?

If the coaching staff is worth a damn at selling a vision and getting buy in from a roster, it shouldn’t take more than a year.

That doesn’t mean it will be perfect. But you should have a team behind its coaches with players doing what they’re supposed to be doing.

On the Georgia vs Tennessee comparison, Georgia didn’t have a bad culture. Richt was a very good coach and handed Kirby arguably the top roster in the division from day 1. Georgia didn’t have to “rebuild”