Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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chavisut said:
You think what Mullen inherited fits him? That UF team is absolute crap too and I haven't started anything. Sorry you can never take a different opinion and jump to conclusions when a "negative" take isn't your negative take per usual.
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I would almost argue the culture at Florida was just as bad, if not worse. With that whole credit card scandal, the arrests, CJM going on about death threats, etc. That place was a dumpster fire in 2017.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
One more point.

I see a lot of coaches that have charts/play sheets. So playcalling isn’t just about calling a play. It’s about knowing what to do in THAT situation against your opponent. It’s a chess game between opposing coordinators. The Pope play was a great play except for the fumble at the end. Calling essentially the same running play on first down for maybe 27 times in a row for almost no gain every time is not very imaginative and when there are 8 guys in the box, probably not very smart. We have to fix that and maybe that’s on the QB as well. Part of the QB's responsibility is when he comes to the line, if the called play is not there based on what the defense is now showing, he has to get us in a better play. Maybe it is as simple as running right instead of left but managing the offense is more than just throwing the ball or handing it off. jmo.
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oh, i agree, and to that point, i think that may be one thing you can probably blame Helton on, specifically, not having the experience to "coach around defficiencies". i do think we're a bit hamstrung play calling wise because of the o line issues.

that doesn't mean you curl up and do nothing different......lol. he's a smart guy, and by all accounts, has a great offensive mind.

i think one pitfall this staff might have is simply that they know what htey know, and they know what it looks like when it's done well.

i'm not sure how many of these guys have ever had to take a rag tag group and either get them to the point their functional at what this staff wants to do, or coach to the level of what the player is capable of.

also, i'm not convinced they should. this wasn't going to be a great year, you inherited what you inherited. you do need to establish an identity, and start building using your process. and sometimes being disciplined about that can be a good thing. but there's a fine line where "disciplined" and "stubborn" start to look like the same thing.
 
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HankHill said:
We don’t have the OL or the QB to play offense like Osovet wants to do in this league. He loves mid level RPOs like joe Moorhead does.

There’s no way we are pulling that off.

I was disappointed with our offensive game plan Saturday but they are really handcuffed by OL and QB. There aren’t things that they could do better no doubt but this offense is never going to be a very good unit idc who is calling plays or coaching.
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I think they are also handicapped by their inability to know how to scheme around those too. A seasoned, cagey veteran OC would know how to at least minimize your areas of weakness. Not conviced Helton knows how to do this, especially on the fly.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
The ads you see are determined by the cookies on your machine. For example, I was on supplyhouse.com looking for Dampers for my home ac, and supply house ads are showing. So I think you’ve been looking at political sites outside of VN.
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It was a joke but honestly, no, I hate politics! I have not been to any political sites other than VN.
 
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mccrackb said:
In a way I am glad it wasn’t close. There is no way JG could have lead us to victory. I think the team knows it to. Guy doesn’t even know how to wear a helmet.
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Thank you!!! I was wondering if it was just me who thought that. How can a guy be ready to play football, when he doesn't even have his chinstrap buckled tight?!?!
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
The ads you see are determined by the cookies on your machine. For example, I was on supplyhouse.com looking for Dampers for my home ac, and supply house ads are showing. So I think you’ve been looking at political sites outside of VN.
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yup. so if you're getting political ads....it's your fault. :)
 
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Jimmy Football said:
He would be ok, but I think we need a proven SEC guy. Someone who is a stone-cold lock to succeed in this league. A man who can dial 'em up and score early and often. And no shame if we have to shell out some cash; at this point, we're pretty desperate.
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Jimmy Football said:
That's a hughmongous rumor. Looks like the relationship between HC and OC is getting a bit chilly.

But if Helton eventually ends up frozen out of his playcalling responsibilities, where do we go from there for an OC? Is it possible there is some brilliant, out-of-work coach that we could bring in from out of the cold to escort our offense back to the upper echelons of this league?
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I see what you did there.
 
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UTProf said:
I think Helton would've had an easier time if he wasn't following the worst OC we've ever had and working around a terrible OL. Those are tough odds for anyone.
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I agree. I think the limitations of the horrendous OL and JG make it difficult to get an idea of what Helton wants to do.

That said, I understand people's frustration as to the predictability of the offense. Additionally, as many other posters have pointed out, there are ways to scheme around a poor OL. WHile these schemes may not work against the best SEC teams, it at least gives us a fighting chance.

I'm interested to see what the offense looks like at the end of the year. If it's still in bad shape, then it's may be time for Pruitt to demote Helton or hire a new OC. Until then, I'm giving Helton the benefit of the doubt that he'll learn from this game.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
If that's true..then Pruitt has seen enough to know Helton was a miss, and he is doing his job as Head Coach. I wish Fulmer had done this with Clawson..we might have never gotten in this mess to start with.
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Clawson turned out to be a decent coach. Not nearly as bad as he was made out to be here. Took BG to three bowls and has taken WF to bowls in the last 2 years.

I think that year was a combination of a new system with an average QB (Kiffin made him better), and a head coach on the hot seat.
 
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Specs said:
Here are the words directly from Basilio. He states clearly that its a rumor.
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I watched some highlights yesterday, and the 7 OL set on the safety play was just stupid. Florida put 9 in the box because we had one WR out wide. If you are going to run out of the endzone, you have to spread out the defense just a little bit.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I watched some highlights yesterday, and the 7 OL set on the safety play was just stupid. Florida put 9 in the box because we had one WR out wide. If you are going to run out of the endzone, you have to spread out the defense just a little bit.
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yep.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Pruitt tried to get Freeze already the SEC told us and Bama no
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I was talking to an OM alum today, and he said Freeze absolutely would take the UT job. He said Freeze proposed to his wife in Neyland Stadium and told her he would be a head coach someday (not necessarily at UT). Did not know that story.
 
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