Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Jimmy Football said:
I like Osovet, but he's still a bit green in terms of familiarity with this league. He would be a hughge risk, IMO.

I'm thinking there's got to be someone out there that understands the cold realities of the SEC. Someone who's weathered the slings and arrows, and proven that they have ice in their veins. Gotta be someone we could call up, even if we have to pay a pretty penny for the privilege.
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Someone cold and icy. I think Freeze fits.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I like Osovet, but he's still a bit green in terms of familiarity with this league. He would be a hughge risk, IMO.

I'm thinking there's got to be someone out there that understands the cold realities of the SEC. Someone who's weathered the slings and arrows, and proven that they have ice in their veins. Gotta be someone we could call up, even if we have to pay a pretty penny for the privilege.
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Maybe someone who is frozen out of coaching?
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Yeah, Matthews was taslking about the coaches not the players but I suppose it could apply to the players as well. I see a lot of people harping on the predictability of our offense, really, I guess more the playcalling. I agree on the confused nature of our offensive line. As I understand it the offensive line has to be able to perform like a man-to-man defense in basketball. Sometimes you have to switch and if someone gets open, if you're the closest, most of the time he's got to be your man. We just don't play well together and I think even the coaches agree that is largely because we haven't established much continuity among the guys we have out there. Pruitt said we've established a rotation of 8 guys and maybe Chance Hall is in the 8 or maybe he's the 9th guy. I wasn't clear on how he phrased that. Anyway he felt like we had to establish depth (identify the rotation) before we could begin to build continuity. It sort of makes sense if you think about it. jmo.
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yeah, that's all valid. continuity on the O line is a real thing, and the more you have it, the better. it really ins't a good situation for this staff coming in to not have 10 guys you can work with. you have to pick a poison.

do you create depth by cross training because you know you don't have the #'s.....knwing it's at the risk of giving up continuity, which will limit you when it comes time to call plays?

you've got some talent in the O line, but not a lot of experience and virtually no experience playing together as group. the communication and understanding of what the guys on either side of your are going to do in any given sitation is huge for the success rate of an OL. throw in TE's that are part of that blocking scheme, how to call the blocking schemes, how to change them based on what the defense is giveing you, understanding where the backs are going to be, where they're supposed to go, what the QB is going to do, and when...........

and do that all that pre snap, and then executed it all in 3-5 seconds after the snap...............it's hard.
 
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I know hindsight is 20/20 but I would have liked to have seen coach Pruitt go after a more seasoned offensive coordinator. There are many that would have come here for that kind of money. With the D it's easier to bring on a young guy to build on since Pruitt's specialty is defense, but the offensive side I'm not sure hiring a first time OC was wise.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know hindsight is 20/20 but I would have liked to have seen coach Pruitt go after a more seasoned offensive coordinator. There are many that would have come here for that kind of money. With the D it's easier to bring on a young guy to build on since Pruitt's specialty is defense, but the offensive side I'm not sure hiring a first time OC was wise.
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Yeah gettting a PAC 10 guy didn't make a lot of sense.
 
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Skizer41 said:
I 100% agree with this!
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the good news is this group, as it's constructed right now, will all be back next year. and the more reps they get now, the better off they'll be going forward. you are going to add some serious compeition in next year's class, and if you can get a solid 2 deep rotation down pat, everyone's learning curve gets a little shorter, you get more continuity, and more chances for success.

i'm not going to tell you that we're gonna have a good/great O line next year. but i do think by adding the OL we're getting in this year's class, plus who's coming back, you've at least given yourself a chance to a)improve the overall depth and b) to put a group of 5 togehter, at 2 deep, and go. it's been a while since we've had that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know hindsight is 20/20 but I would have liked to have seen coach Pruitt go after a more seasoned offensive coordinator. There are many that would have come here for that kind of money. With the D it's easier to bring on a young guy to build on since Pruitt's specialty is defense, but the offensive side I'm not sure hiring a first time OC was wise.
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that's fair.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, that's all valid. continuity on the O line is a real thing, and the more you have it, the better. it really ins't a good situation for this staff coming in to not have 10 guys you can work with. you have to pick a poison.

do you create depth by cross training because you know you don't have the #'s.....knwing it's at the risk of giving up continuity, which will limit you when it comes time to call plays?

you've got some talent in the O line, but not a lot of experience and virtually no experience playing together as group. the communication and understanding of what the guys on either side of your are going to do in any given sitation is huge for the success rate of an OL. throw in TE's that are part of that blocking scheme, how to call the blocking schemes, how to change them based on what the defense is giveing you, understanding where the backs are going to be, where they're supposed to go, what the QB is going to do, and when...........

and do that all that pre snap, and then executed it all in 3-5 seconds after the snap...............it's hard.
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Yeah, and I would add that with so many guys out in the spring and even some out for most of fall camp neither our coaches or players have had any real time to get their sh*t together. That's not something we as fans generally think about. We call it an excuse; screw reality. Everybody sucks, coaches and players. It is what it is. If we have all the same guys back next year and have the same problems I'll be very surprised AND disappointed. I don't expect that to be the case.
 
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bignewt said:
Yeah gettting a PAC 10 guy didn't make a lot of sense.
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Maybe he was the only one available or the only one that would take the job and demanded a premium at that but I thought he might have been picked to give us some sort of recruiting chops in California.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Yeah, and I would add that with so many guys out in the spring and even some out for most of fall camp neither our coaches or players have had any real time to get their sh*t together. That's not something we as fans generally think about. We call it an excuse; screw reality. Everybody sucks, coaches and players. It is what it is. If we have all the same guys back next year and have the same problems I'll be very surprised AND disappointed. I don't expect that to be the case.
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yep. and that doesn't mean we're going to be "great". but i think if you see the same issues we're seeing right now with the missed assignments, missed blocks, poor recognition and communication etc....then it may be time to worry about the quality of the staff.

until then, on some level, some of the problems are just due to the #'s at certain positions, and OL is exhibit A.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Maybe he was the only one available or the only one that would take the job and demanded a premium at that but I thought he might have been picked to give us some sort of recruiting chops in California.
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well, i think Pruitt genuinely has a high opinion of Helton. he was willing to give up some of his own salary to lock down the guys on this staff, so i think there's a genuine belief on his part, that this staff is/will be a good one.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Maybe he was the only one available or the only one that would take the job and demanded a premium at that but I thought he might have been picked to give us some sort of recruiting chops in California.
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Well we see if that pays off because other than Shrout...
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Maybe he was the only one available or the only one that would take the job and demanded a premium at that but I thought he might have been picked to give us some sort of recruiting chops in California.
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I would think for that kind of money we could have gotten someone with more experience. Just a guess on my part.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. and that doesn't mean we're going to be "great". but i think if you see the same issues we're seeing right now with the missed assignments, missed blocks, poor recognition and communication etc....then it may be time to worry about the quality of the staff.

until then, on some level, some of the problems are just due to the #'s at certain positions, and OL is exhibit A.
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One more point.

I see a lot of coaches that have charts/play sheets. So playcalling isn’t just about calling a play. It’s about knowing what to do in THAT situation against your opponent. It’s a chess game between opposing coordinators. The Pope play was a great play except for the fumble at the end. Calling essentially the same running play on first down for maybe 27 times in a row for almost no gain every time is not very imaginative and when there are 8 guys in the box, probably not very smart. We have to fix that and maybe that’s on the QB as well. Part of the QB's responsibility is when he comes to the line, if the called play is not there based on what the defense is now showing, he has to get us in a better play. Maybe it is as simple as running right instead of left but managing the offense is more than just throwing the ball or handing it off. jmo.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know hindsight is 20/20 but I would have liked to have seen coach Pruitt go after a more seasoned offensive coordinator. There are many that would have come here for that kind of money. With the D it's easier to bring on a young guy to build on since Pruitt's specialty is defense, but the offensive side I'm not sure hiring a first time OC was wise.
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I think Helton would've had an easier time if he wasn't following the worst OC we've ever had and working around a terrible OL. Those are tough odds for anyone.
 
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We don’t have the OL or the QB to play offense like Osovet wants to do in this league. He loves mid level RPOs like joe Moorhead does.

There’s no way we are pulling that off.

I was disappointed with our offensive game plan Saturday but they are really handcuffed by OL and QB. There aren’t things that they could do better no doubt but this offense is never going to be a very good unit idc who is calling plays or coaching.
 
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