Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Chuckie said:
That's good stuff, Newt. But I think talent is also an issue.
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I disagree at this point. You can look at recruiting rankings/composites the last four years and there are PLENTY of teams with half our talent who would kick the ever living shiz out of us... I just got back from working out and watch a Herm Edwards Arizona St. team with half the talent we have, play #10 Washington down to the buzzer.

Most of this is the negative mindset and lack of development left by the previous staff, and a new staff that doesn't know or hasn't had time to know what to do with what they are working with. Helton is definitely to blame here with the atrociously predictable conservative play calling, but our guys were already beat mentally after the first turnover.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I disagree at this point. You can look at recruiting rankings/composites the last four years and there are PLENTY of teams with half our talent who would kick the ever living shiz out of us... I just got back from working out and watch a Herm Edwards Arizona St. team with half the talent we have, play #10 Washington down to the buzzer.

Most of this is the negative mindset and lack of development left by the previous staff, and a new staff that doesn't know or hasn't had time to know what to do with what they are working with. Helton is definitely to blame here with the atrociously predictable conservative play calling, but our guys were already beat mentally after the first turnover.
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do those historical composite ratings account for attrition, and who's no longer on this roster? cause if they don't, they're not worth the bandwith they take up or hte paper they're printed on.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
The issue is that I believe Florida will be back to their elite status in short order. Maybe not to the level that Meyer or Spurrier had them at, but to a 9 or 10 win level. So that will make it more difficult when you add in Georgia.
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Not sure why you think UF can get back to elite status in short order and UT can't. Logically, UT should be able to achieve anything UGA, UF and Clemson can. UT has comparable resources, facilities, fan support, etc.-- we just lack the personnel. Actually, UF is deficient there, as well, and they also have a new HC. I just don't see why people think other schools can turn things around but UT can't.
 
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LA Vol said:
Not sure why you think UF can get back to elite status in short order and UT can't. Logically, UT should be able to achieve anything UGA, UF and Clemson can. UT has comparable resources, facilities, fan support, etc.-- we just lack the personnel. Actually, UF is deficient there, as well, and they also have a new HC. I just don't see why people think other schools can turn things around but UT can't.
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Because other schools dont have the trouble in their admin as TN does. Name one school in the power 5 that has had half of the issues TN has had with their admin and their lack of caring to win
 
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LA Vol said:
Not sure why you think UF can get back to elite status in short order and UT can't. Logically, UT should be able to achieve anything UGA, UF and Clemson can. UT has comparable resources, facilities, fan support, etc.-- we just lack the personnel. Actually, UF is deficient there, as well, and they also have a new HC. I just don't see why people think other schools can turn things around but UT can't.
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The state of Florida is overflowing with talent and it seems like there are still blue-chip kids who want to be Gators, despite their mediocrity since 2010. Granted, Tennessee will only have more and more in-state talent every year, but many of those kids see UT as a joke and would rather play at UGA, Clemson, Bama, etc.

I also think Florida is serious about succeeding at athletics. They're already a solid academics school. They don't have the division at the top like we do. Just higher standards in Gainesville IMO.
 
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LA Vol said:
Not sure why you think UF can get back to elite status in short order and UT can't. Logically, UT should be able to achieve anything UGA, UF and Clemson can. UT has comparable resources, facilities, fan support, etc.-- we just lack the personnel. Actually, UF is deficient there, as well, and they also have a new HC. I just don't see why people think other schools can turn things around but UT can't.
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I think we both can. I just feel like 1) Florida made a better hire and 2) they have a much more natural base of talent to draw from in order to build their roster back.
 
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McGeesPub said:
No, I didn’t like the hire and I’m not going to apologize for that. It’s also not worth it to wait for years hoping we are bad enough for him to be fired, just so I can say I’m right.

Discord? I think you overestimate me. I’m no troll, I’ve just got a different opinion on UT football than you.
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You've got an agenda, and you were chomping at the bit to start your bitching about this staff.
 
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I didn't say UGA had more tradition than Tennessee, but they have more potential. That's probably a top 3 job in the country. It's easier to win there than it is here. They can throw a rock and hit a stud SEC football player. Same for Florida.
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
Man, if you didn't like the Pruitt hire, you're going to hate the bottom-of-the-barrel hire we're going to be making if Pruitt gets canned.
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Maybe. Pruitt was pretty bottom of the barrel last cycle (although he was the best of the 3 candidates Fulmer trotted out). That’s why I hope he succeeds, and I’m not calling for him to be fired in any respect. I just haven’t seen anything mind-changing yet. Saying “aight,” doesn’t move the needle with me.
 
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SugarCC said:
InVOL, let me first apologize to you for some of the things I said, please forgive me, man; also to the rest of VN for burning the place down, all day and all night. I'm VERY optimistic...but, I'm also sick of losing to UF.

I had a big, long post typed out; but, I guess to summarize: I said many times yesterday that the playcalling and personnel decisions were puzzling at times, not good at times. I also said many times that the coaching has to get better. The notion that started this whole mess was the idea Pruitt and Co got outcoached in every facet. I wholeheartedly disagree.

Imo, 6 turnovers that led to 24 pts, and squandered great scoring chances for us and stomped out ANY momentum or rally we had in us, along with the blocking, and not just the OL's, but TE's, H- Backs, and RB's...THAT'S what got us blown out. Wouldn't have mattered what play was called.

InVOL, Go Big Orange, man!
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You and I are good, buddy. We all want the same thing, for the Vols to be back. Sometimes we're going to disagree as to how we achieve that but that's ok. We are all Vol fans.

I don't think that we were out coached in every facet either. That was Doug Mathews comment. One thing he disagreed with was the on side kick. I thought it was a brilliant call and it was executed perfectly except for one player didn't do his job.

I like coach Pruitt. I think he has a ton of potential. Having said that, I thought he looked like what he is.... a first time head coach with first time coordinators. They are all learning how to be coaches at their first time positions. Unfortunately they don't have the luxury of starting out in an easier conference or division. They've been thrown into the fire that is SEC football.

One thing I think they're struggling with is managing a team that doesn't have the talent or mental makeup that they are used to.

I think they'll get better as time goes. They've been at successful programs and part of championship level programs. The learning curve is steep in this league.

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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BruinVol said:
I Would bet the article is wrong. The transfer rules didn't eliminate sitting out a year for redshirts.
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If he transfers to the school this week then it would be a redshirt year at that school I believe. So with the new redshirt rule he's technically already beat out the year.
 
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Rishvol said:
If he transfers to the school this week then it would be a redshirt year at that school I believe. So with the new redshirt rule he's technically already beat out the year.
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The NCAA has a year residenency rule. That's the problem unless a kid graduates
 
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Thinking back on how we ended up here, the one thing that strikes me is how much negative, long term impact recruiting misses can make on a program. Because of football having such large rosters, it's impossible to make a talent shift in 1 season; it's still very difficult in 2 seasons. Coach Barnes can flip a 12 man roster with freshman and transfers in 2 seasons and turn us back into a power. Football just doesnt allow for that.

The 2016 and 17 classes have been very weak for us, and that will continue to haunt us for at least 2 more seasons. Looking back at some of Butch's rosters, it's clear that he could recruit very solid players and identify some diamonds in the rough. Watching guys like Kelly and Justin Coleman making impact in the NFL make that clear, but at this point, his misses are outnumbering his successes.

Look back at our best years under Butch. We were still ultimately weakened by Dooley's huge mistake of not recruiting adequate offensive lines.

I'm not trying to say that talent is the only problem here. It clearly isn't, but I do believe that it is the most significant one. I'm not even in the ballpark of giving up on Pruitt and his staff, but the real game for us this year is winning the recruiting battles. If we can convince players like Wright and Morris to come here despite back to back terrible seasons, then we'll know if there's light at the end of this tunnel. It's filling up with water, and damnit, it's hard to breath right now.
 
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