Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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InVOLuntary said:
I'm one of the more "seasoned" posters on this board. I sold cokes in Neyland as a teenager in the 70's primarily to get in the gates. I've been a fan since I knew what football was.

Having said that, I know some people . Some people that give very large sums of money to the program. Part of my cynicism is because I'm privy to some of the stuff that goes on behind closed doors. While I love Coach Fulmer and completely support him the university doesn't really have the fans interest at heart when it comes to decisions. We are where we are because of a couple of things. Back in the early 2000's a decision was made to place the athletic department underneath the UTK chancellor thereby losing it's autonomy. What this did was change the goal of the UTAD from winning to a cash cow. This combined with the new revenue sources made the common ticket buying fan less relavent. We as fans have less influence over our program than ever before. That's why we have been shopping at the dollar general store for our coaches because it was cheaper to pay a coach for four years then his buyout than spend the major money on a huge hire. Now, I agree that other factors have made it hard for us to hire a nationally prominent coach and the longer we go as an irrelevant program the harder it goes. I think Phil would have liked to have hired an established power five head coach but he was behind the eightball. That is not an indictment of Jeremy Pruitt. It says more about the state of our program. The coup that took place last fall while was good but it was one battle in the war. Lots of powerful people with lots of money are vying for control, I'm sure you know who I'm referring to somewhat. That's why I'm very skeptical of anything that the university does. The university has continuously taken advantage of fan loyalty and quite frankly, they're out of free passes from me.

Coach Pruitt may be the best coach we've had since Neyland himself, I don't know. I think Phil will give him everything within his power to make that happen. But, it is a huge undertaking that many would fail at. We better hope and pray that he's a world beater because some in power over there would love to see him fail to advance their own agenda. Thus, this is why I said "i'm not sure he's ready for a job this big". Nothing to do with his ability as a coach. I've seen nothing from him that says he can't do the job but after seeing the lack of players on this roster, his task is even bigger than I thought.

I applaud you and others for your steadfast support. Please don't crucify mean for taking a wait and see approach.
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I understand, I do. But I look at it this way...as long as Phil is there, Pruitt is going to have whatever he needs, and however long he needs to do it. I truly believe that he is Fulmer's guy, and Fulmer will protect and support him until the point where he just can't, if it gets to that.
Now, if you're like a good friend of mine, and worry about Fulmer's pull and his security, I say this: if Fulmer gets railroaded AGAIN by the admins, Shianomo will look like a tea party. Neyland will burn to the ground this time, and it will not matter who the next coach is. Vol Nation will will bring hell's fury if Phil is screwed over again. I have said, if we do go into oblivion, I feel much better going there with Phil Fulmer, and his guy, Jeremy Pruitt.
 
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butchna said:
Including Bob Stoops? Mentioned him first but you didn’t seem to view him as relevant. 😉
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One coach. Go find me one power five school that has sucked as bad as we have that have fired there coach and hired a first time head coach that took them to prominence.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
One coach. Go find me one power five school that has sucked as bad as we have that have fired there coach and hired a first time head coach that took them to prominence.
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The examples will start to pile up but Clemson was no superpower when Dabo was hired. Who was their previous great coach? Danny Ford?
 
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butchna said:
The examples will start to pile up but Clemson was no superpower when Dabo was hired. Who was their previous great coach? Danny Ford?
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How about Bowden? Clemson was no where near as bad as we are. Actually they had been pretty good up until the year he was fired. Never missed a bowl accept for the year where Clemson and SC got in a fight and both teams withdrew from bowl consideration.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
One coach. Go find me one power five school that has sucked as bad as we have that have fired there coach and hired a first time head coach that took them to prominence.
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I'd define "prominence" as taking their programs to their ceiling.

James Franklin at Vandy is one

Mark stoops at Kentucky as well


Add Mullen at MSU to that list
 
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SugarCC said:
Its like I said, Chief...after I saw your age, I understood a little bit better...its really what got me to thinking about it a little bit more. I know you guys are starving for it...I want it so badly for my 3 nephews, to experience what I and their dads did in the mid to late 80's, the 90's, into the early 2000's.
But, Chief...if you TRULY are a UT fan, and I now lean more to believing you are...please stop falling over yourself to tell us what's real. It's like earlier, when you posted that Auburn was going to run through us...what purpose was that for, man...to go ahead and get it out there, to break the news? We don't play Auburn for another what, 6 wks? That's what I was saying earlier, you would never hear me say something like that, especially this early, let alone rush with giddiness to do so.
Dude, I'm not trying to tell you how to live your fandom; but, it's also like I said...if UT does turn it around, and you guys experience it, feel it, and then they fall again...more than likely you will know exactly what I'm talking about right now, if Chief Vol 2.0 is saying the same things the original was saying.
Go Vols, man!
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Yeah man, I still try to be honest with myself and where I think the program is, just gets a little tougher each year that we waller in the wilderness. Had a conversation with an uncle earlier today, he's a die hard as well. He's kind of like me, we both think that if Pruitt can't get it done, it's just probably not going to happen. We'll see, I'm really confident in where this program is going still.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
How about Bowden? Clemson was no where near as bad as we are. Actually they had been pretty good up until the year he was fired. Never missed a bowl accept for the year where Clemson and SC got in a fight and both teams withdrew from bowl consideration.
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They were irrelevant and had some pretty sorry ass seasons and Bowden got fired for a reason. So that’s two.
 
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Va Tech using the Florida tact of past 6 years. Faking defensive injuries to gain free timeouts and slow down offense. Embarrassing but effective until rules change. If a defender lays on field you should have to burn a timeout or sit them balance of quarter.
 
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