Can we stop the run???

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sjt18 said:
The formula for stopping their passing game actually starts with limiting them in the run game. You want down and distance that allows you to bring pressure on Grier. Grier gets reckless with the ball when he gets pressure. He'll throw it up for grabs.
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He might get less reckless towards the end of this game -- we have to keep the pressure on for 60 minutes -- as he gets into a groove and if we let his receivers get behind us like we did a few times last year -- hopefully he throws up a few of these in the middle of the field during their first possessions (and not something down the sideline catching us off guard), if they don't come out running --

 
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bam4wvu said:
Once again another post that makes you look dumb. Most wvu fans wanted McKoy to start over Crawford, McKoy is a all around better RB. We have 4 RBs that your going to see. McKoy would start at most P5 schools. I think pettaway is trash, but rs freshman Sinkfield and true fresh Leddie Brown are future stars. McKoy Sinkfield and Brown have more talent then any of you're 3 Rbs.
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Easy now.....:mad:
 
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Tennessee is going to try to run it down WV's throat. WV is going to try to air it out. Can their defense stop the run, and an our DB's keep their WR's in check? Can we get a pass rush? Going to be very interesting. I'll say this, if you think last year's defense is what is going to be showing up in Charlotte Saturday, you're going to be sadly mistaken. There is a new Sheriff in town.
 
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bam4wvu said:
Once again another post that makes you look dumb. Most wvu fans wanted McKoy to start over Crawford, McKoy is a all around better RB. We have 4 RBs that your going to see. McKoy would start at most P5 schools. I think pettaway is trash, but rs freshman Sinkfield and true fresh Leddie Brown are future stars. McKoy Sinkfield and Brown have more talent then any of you're 3 Rbs.
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Lol and people say that our fans our delusional...
 
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bam4wvu said:
Once again another post that makes you look dumb. Most wvu fans wanted McKoy to start over Crawford, McKoy is a all around better RB. We have 4 RBs that your going to see. McKoy would start at most P5 schools. I think pettaway is trash, but rs freshman Sinkfield and true fresh Leddie Brown are future stars. McKoy Sinkfield and Brown have more talent then any of you're 3 Rbs.
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bam4wvu said:
Once again another post that makes you look dumb. Most wvu fans wanted McKoy to start over Crawford, McKoy is a all around better RB. We have 4 RBs that your going to see. McKoy would start at most P5 schools. I think pettaway is trash, but rs freshman Sinkfield and true fresh Leddie Brown are future stars. McKoy Sinkfield and Brown have more talent then any of you're 3 Rbs.
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The key is to put pressure on Grier and disrupt his receiver's routes. We have had issues running with good receivers for the past several years, but what we lack in technique we should be able to make up for with physicality. Keeping our D-line in the backfield in his face and jamming their receivers off the line will throw the timing off. That combined with a solid 2 deep zone should result with overthrown passes and maybe an INT or two to put us in the plus margin for takeaways. I would be willing to accept a couple of 15-20 yard scampers for first downs if we manage to lock down the passing game and prevent those splash pays that yield points and field position. Ideally, our offense will see improvement with a more experienced Guarantano as the signal caller.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Not seen it discussed but key to beating WV will be stopping their running game I feel. It's been a weakness for us for years and we'll know by week 1 if we've improved. WV doesn't have a rb that scares anyone and may be their weakest group on offense. Make em one dimensional, cause turnovers, win game. Pretty simple really!
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Given who we have up front and the feckless run defense that they all partook in last year, I’m not confident at all. Hopefully Rocker and company are miracle workers there and we can at least get remotely competent as compared to last year. Feel good about our LBs and safeties if we stay healthy, but very concerned about our guys up front. My eyes are still burning from last year’s Missouri game.
 
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bam4wvu said:
Once again another post that makes you look dumb. Most wvu fans wanted McKoy to start over Crawford, McKoy is a all around better RB. We have 4 RBs that your going to see. McKoy would start at most P5 schools. I think pettaway is trash, but rs freshman Sinkfield and true fresh Leddie Brown are future stars. McKoy Sinkfield and Brown have more talent then any of you're 3 Rbs.
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Just wondering... how many games have you watched of UT's RB's?

In the last couple of weeks, I've watched replays of WVU's games vs OSU, Iowa State, VT, Texas, TCU, and KU. McKoy is not better than Chandler and as distasteful as this is going to be to you... it isn't close.

What makes one of us look "dumb" is declaring that two Fr are better than other RB's without a) seeing them play vs college competition or b) watching the guys they're being compared to.

Just for your education. Chandler in a back up role to John Kelly (currently making big noise in the NFL pre-season) had 305 yards behind a beat up, constantly changing OL. By the UK game, UT had had as many OL starting line ups as games. Kelly didn't play so Chandler got the bulk of the carries. Versus a D better than yours now... behind a Swiss Cheese OL... He went for 120 yds on 22 carries and had 2 receptions for another 33. There were a LOT of people who criticized Jones for not splitting the carries more between Kelly and Chandler just like he failed to split them more intelligently between Kamara and Hurd.
 
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Remy said:
That sort of negates the concept from the WVU homer who posts here about having "one of the best OLs in the country" does it not?
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Yes. I thought the Utah State fans were nicer but they also had a practice of saying how their team would run over UT and shut UT down based on their having beaten up on significantly less talented competition the year before.

I think these guys really believe that UT has no talent. Some claim they're acknowledging it... but they're expecting a team with the talent of KU, ECU, Baylor, or even ISU.
 
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KBVol said:
Given who we have up front and the feckless run defense that they all partook in last year, I’m not confident at all. Hopefully Rocker and company are miracle workers there and we can at least get remotely competent as compared to last year. Feel good about our LBs and safeties if we stay healthy, but very concerned about our guys up front. My eyes are still burning from last year’s Missouri game.
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Doesn't take miracles. It takes a scheme that makes sense. Players that are confident in their ability and coaching. And then fundamentals like playing your assignment, keeping your shoulders square, getting off blocks, and tackling.
 
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Remy said:
That sort of negates the concept from the WVU homer who posts here about having "one of the best OLs in the country" does it not?
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i don't know how good it is, but they're bigger than i think most of us thought. not sure, yet, how that translates, but in a pass happy offense, i'm betting they're more equipped to pass protect than grind out 1st downs at 4 yards a pop.

i think we'll be fairly aggressive on defense and try to dictate as much as we can to them. we'll give up some big plays i'm sure as a result, but i think you have affect the QB.

it's kinda weird, i watched the 2001 florida game the other night and this game, though for much dfferent reasons, reminds me of that game a bit, at least in regards to the UT Def/WV Off match up.

in that game, we hit the QB nearly 30 times, sacked him 6 times, hit him i don't know how many times. we were very aggressive on the ball and probably dropped 3 or 4 interceptions in that game. we held Florida to less than 50 yards rushing. our front 7 absolutely dominated that game.

yet Rex Grossman still threw for over 350 yards, and had multiple TD's. conversely, we pounded them with an O line and Run Game on offense, and were efficient in the passing game. and with the opportunities our defense left on the field with the dropped int's, that's really the only reason that game was close.

i could see this game playing out a little like that one, from a game planning standpoint anyway. we were out matched against their WR's and QB. so we pinned our ears back, and went after Grossman, and even when they did complete passes, and they did, we didn't give up anything cheap.
 
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UT-Rex said:
He might get less reckless towards the end of this game -- we have to keep the pressure on for 60 minutes -- as he gets into a groove and if we let his receivers get behind us like we did a few times last year -- hopefully he throws up a few of these in the middle of the field during their first possessions (and not something down the sideline catching us off guard), if they don't come out running --
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IMO, this is a better representation of how to play him. This game wasn't as close as the score. WVU scored on a pick 6 and a blocked punt. OSU also made enough mistakes to lose two or 3 games themselves.

 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't know how good it is, but they're bigger than i think most of us thought. not sure, yet, how that translates, but in a pass happy offense, i'm betting they're more equipped to pass protect than grind out 1st downs at 4 yards a pop.

i think we'll be fairly aggressive on defense and try to dictate as much as we can to them. we'll give up some big plays i'm sure as a result, but i think you have affect the QB.

it's kinda weird, i watched the 2001 florida game the other night and this game, though for much dfferent reasons, reminds me of that game a bit, at least in regards to the UT Def/WV Off match up.

in that game, we hit the QB nearly 30 times, sacked him 6 times, hit him i don't know how many times. we were very aggressive on the ball and probably dropped 3 or 4 interceptions in that game. we held Florida to less than 50 yards rushing. our front 7 absolutely dominated that game.

yet Rex Grossman still threw for over 350 yards, and had multiple TD's. conversely, we pounded them with an O line and Run Game on offense, and were efficient in the passing game. and with the opportunities our defense left on the field with the dropped int's, that's really the only reason that game was close.

i could see this game playing out a little like that one, from a game planning standpoint anyway. we were out matched against their WR's and QB. so we pinned our ears back, and went after Grossman, and even when they did complete passes, and they did, we didn't give up anything cheap.
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Reasonable comparison. I don't see their athletes being on the level of that UF team though.
 
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sjt18 said:
Reasonable comparison. I don't see their athletes being on the level of that UF team though.
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well, to be fair, i don't see our current athetes being on the same level of the 2001 TN team either. just more of a match up based comparison than anything...we weren't great in the secondary that year...and we were 18 point underdogs. no one saw how we could defend that FL offense with that QB and those WR's.

on that alone, it at least fits as a comparable match up lol.
 
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It was bad last year, so I'm thinking that will improve, especially under the new scheme. We may not don as much talent yet as we will have, but with the big LBs I see us stuffing anything WV throws at us in the run game.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, to be fair, i don't see our current athetes being on the same level of the 2001 TN team either. just more of a match up based comparison than anything...we weren't great in the secondary that year...and we were 18 point underdogs. no one saw how we could defend that FL offense with that QB and those WR's.

on that alone, it at least fits as a comparable match up lol.
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I won't argue but the 2001 guys... but I really like what UT has at S and like Buchanan and Taylor as a starting pair too. Wish we could have confidence in CB depth.

I may be setting myself up for disappointment but honestly I see the component pieces on this roster for a pretty decent team. They weren't developed well and Lord knows for all his talk about "complimentary football" Jones was never any more familiar with how to put a cohesive team together than I am with brain surgery by reading a book on gardening. But there are lots of guys who look really good "on the hoof"... and they finally have a coach that if nothing else has gotten them to the season healthy.
 
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sjt18 said:
I won't argue but the 2001 guys... but I really like what UT has at S and like Buchanan and Taylor as a starting pair too. Wish we could have confidence in CB depth.
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yeah. i think betwen Thomposn and Taylor you're probably all set, athletically. they'll both probabl shine at times. and they'll both probably make mistakes that you know experience could account for later on. i'm cautiosly optimistic about Buchannon. we'll see.

i'm with you on Safety and Nickel. we really should be good there. and i'm liking our LB corp at the top of the depth chart.

DL is still thin. but those 1st three should be good to go. i think we're just gonna have to live with the notion that defensively, we'll probably see flashes, but lack the consistency and overall depth you'd need to be really good.

that said, we've been sooooo bad on defense, an average defense is a fairly significant upgrade, especially if we just get to average against the run....lol.
 
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