Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Darth_Shiveman said:
And let’s be honest, whether we win 5 or 7 games could come down to whether a couple calls go our way, whether we stay healthy in a few key spots, and/or health of our opponents.

Way too many unknowns to make a precise prediction in the W-L column IMO
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Could win 5 or 7 or 9 or 15. Who knows. We'll find out soon. I'm excited about the season and think it will go better than you seem to.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Which would mean you're probably thinking in the 7 or 8 win range, because I'm thinking 6. I think we'll see a well coached football team overall, that'll show some flashes here and there. 6 wins would be a success this season in my mind, given all the circumstances.
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Why do you feel the need to give what you think my prediction is? If you need my guess that much just go with XV-Nulla. Means about as much as yer prediction. Don't try to put limits on what I am probably thinking.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Which would mean you're probably thinking in the 7 or 8 win range, because I'm thinking 6. I think we'll see a well coached football team overall, that'll show some flashes here and there. 6 wins would be a success this season in my mind, given all the circumstances.
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For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
 
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Sleegro said:
Why do you feel the need to give what you think my prediction is? If you need my guess that much just go with XV-Nulla. Means about as much as yer prediction. Don't try to put limits on what I am probably thinking.
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You said you think we'll have a better season than what I think we'll have. If I'm thinking 6 wins, then based on what you said, you would have to be thinking in the 7-9 win range.
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
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I don't think it's that simple. Just because we may have better talent than a team, doesn't mean we have a better football team. But to your point, I think Tennessee has more talent than everyone on our schedule except Bama, UGA, Auburn, and probably South Carolina. As it stands right now though, WVU and Missouri, even though we might have more talent, very well could be better football teams than Tennessee. New schemes on both sides, first time coordinators and head coach, and a lot of players who haven't been developed over their careers, will make for first season growing pains IMO. 2019 will and should be a different story however.
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
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I think we do over Vandy, UK, and Mizzou. USCe I'd say is roughly equal with us now and the fact that we get them on the road the week after Bama is a bit of an equalizer for them if we were more talented.


But even Kirby Smart at UGA and Saban at Bama lost a couple games their first season to less talented opponents. Most coaching changes don't result in a dramatic turnaround in the W-L column year one. I'm sure we're gonna see a much, much better product on the field this year. I'm just not sure we'll see that translate to wins this year.


The 3 big things making me pump the brakes on this season being what many think it will be are that we are dealing with a lot change and new systems/expectations, the schedule doesn't look to be very forgiving if we start out a little slow, and that our staff, as good as I think they are and will grow to be here, having some guys who are taking on new roles and more responsibility than they have before.
 
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T Dog said:
Ha lil I am looking 5 years down the road and see how gets drafted higher. That's what i was going to base my opinion on. Cause it's way to early to tell who is better.
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Well my previous post was saying that Martinez is closer to his ceiling now. Shrout definitely has great upside and might have a skillset that translates to the NFL better than Martinez. But Martinez is further along right now. That's what I was getting at.
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
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When I’m tempted to think this is an 8-4 team, I ask myself: what does this Tennessss team have that Saban didn’t in 2007, or Kirby in 2016?

I don’t disagree it is possible we win more than 6. But I am grounded by the most relevant examples of this system/culture being put in place. I’m also grounded by the almost universal perception in the media that this is pretty much a 6 win team. (No media member who has seen us live in practice has come away saying this team is about to shock the world - they reaffirm their view this is a 6 win team). I’m also grounded by what I saw with my own eyes last fall.

So my expectations are really low for those reasons, personally.
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
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I just keep thinking that Pruitt is a winner, has been everywhere he has been. And I don't see him losing much. He knows how to make adjustments. And if say Abernathy isn't talking well, I bet he jerks his butt out of the lineup and gives the next man an opportunity to shine. Or somebody is not getting a push on the OL, same thing, he gives the next HUNGRY man an opportunity. IMO
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
P-Willy maturing... except he'd been suspended since last year from the team out there for arrests and assaults.
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This is probably not fair because I only saw one series in the game last night. But Williams’ body language was not good. Instead of trying to encourage his QB, he seems annoyed.

It brought back thoughts of us forcing it to him early in the Arkansas game in 2015 to keep him interested. His fumble and n the red zone that game was a killer.
 
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VOLuptuousBOOMS said:
I live in Summerville. Shuck N Shack or Low Country Fish Camp in you want Seafood in Summerville. The best seafood in the area, is Acme Low Country Kitchen down in Isle of Palms, IMO.

I’ve only been here 6-7 months, maybe a native will chime in too.
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Really!? We go to the IOP every summer, and I have never been to Acme. My wife has been going for years and never really suggested. We almost ordered from there this year as the menu looked great. I think they have changed their perception because I seem to think my wife said it used to be just a bar.

Now that you have suggested it, I am going to have to order from there next year. We have favored Long Island Cafe, which is also local to IOP.
 
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vol2002 said:
When I’m tempted to think this is an 8-4 team, I ask myself: what does this Tennessss team have that Saban didn’t in 2007, or Kirby in 2016?

I don’t disagree it is possible we win more than 6. But I am grounded by the most relevant examples of this system/culture being put in place. I’m also grounded by the almost universal perception in the media that this is pretty much a 6 win team. (No media member who has seen us live in practice has come away saying this team is about to shock the world - they reaffirm their view this is a 6 win team). I’m also grounded by what I saw with my own eyes last fall.

So my expectations are really low for those reasons, personally.
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People love to bring up saban and kirby's first years. What about spurrier at Florida or gus at Auburn.
 
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Here's what I think we'll see against WVU on Saturday. I think we'll gash their defense for a good 200 yards or more on the ground, and play sound, solid football for most of the game. However I think Grier and their receiving core will hit us for a couple long touchdowns, and overall we'll have a hard time slowing their passing attack down. Thinking something around 34-20 Mountaineers. I think we'll see some good flashes from this team, most notably in the running game. Think there will be a lot of "wish we would have caught them later in the year" type comments afterwards.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Yeah that's one I roll my eyes at. "But, but we were just a few plays from being a 7 or 8 win football team last year with Botch Jones." Yeah, we were also a UMASS QB injury and a fourth down stop against Georgia Tech away from being 2-10. Can't have it both ways.
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Same old crap argument. We had so much more talent than GT and UMass. The talent wasn’t developed. To say that we could have lost those two games is also not admitting that we have 4 and 5 stars littering the roster. To be frank, your argument is being intellectually dishonest. Being 2-10 wouldn’t have changed anything.
 
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Sleegro said:
People love to bring up saban and kirby's first years. What about spurrier at Florida or gus at Auburn.
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That's bull crap. The situation we have before us here is far more similar to the situations Kirby and Saban inherited as opposed to the ones Spurrier and Malzahn inherited. Come on.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
That's bull crap. The situation we have before us here is far more similar to the situations Kirby and Saban inherited as opposed to the ones Spurrier and Malzahn inherited. Come on.
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All 5 situations are completely different so drawing conclusions from one is as good as any.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Here's what I think we'll see against WVU on Saturday. I think we'll gash their defense for a good 200 yards or more on the ground, and play sound, solid football for most of the game. However I think Grier and their receiving core will hit us for a couple long touchdowns, and overall we'll have a hard time slowing their passing attack down. Thinking something around 34-20 Mountaineers. I think we'll see some good flashes from this team, most notably in the running game. Think there will be a lot of "wish we would have caught them later in the year" type comments afterwards.
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Cool. Now I don't need to waste time watching the game. The realist has foretold the outcome. Maybe I'll watch urb coach instead.
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that think just 6 wins would you not say we have a clear talent advantage (not counting three scrubs) over Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina? That would mean 6-6 is losing to one team you are clearly better than. In fact based on 247 composite scores of players on team we are more talented than 8 of the teams on our schedule. We are essentially even with Florida and at a disadvantage with 3 teams.

Now I’m not calling a 9-3 season but injuries have killed us the last few years. I’m looking for 7-5. Anything lower would not be “successful” in my opinion. I think some of y’all have bought into the media saying that’s our ceiling. People like Aaron Murray say we are a rebuild and don’t have a lot of talent....and they’ve never stepped foot on campus. They’re going off 4-8 and a coach and a team that quit.

Flame me all you want but Tennessee is better than 6-6 this year.
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We’ve had a “talent” advantage over those teams every year since the beginning of time.

That doesn’t mean we are the better football team. We aren’t “clearly better” than any of those teams you listed imo
 
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Sleegro said:
All 5 situations are completely different so drawing conclusions from one is as good as any.
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Not really. The Georgia and Alabama situations are fairly similar. Schemes and philosophies are pretty much the same with all three. Kirby inherited more talent at UGA than Pruitt did here, Saban might have inherited a little more, if any. Malzahn walked into a situation in which he has recruited basically every offensive player Auburn had the previous three seasons, the Florida team Spurrier inherited went 7-5 the year prior with very good talent.
 
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