QB job is Keller Chryst's to lose going into 2nd scrimmage

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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yes, and Chryst is going to be in a worse situation this year than he was previously. Not a recipe for success for him.





True, but Peyton also had a great arm and could pick teams apart. Not the case here.



And? Allen was drafted because of his measurables and arm strength. I'm not sure what's relevant about this.



Puh leeeeeeze. You've used all kinds of dumb stats to back up dumb arguments on here. Like arguing Stanford's vs UT's SOS when arguing JG vs KC (despite the fact that neither of them played full seasons).

I've watched 6-7 of Chryst's games. His completion percentage is very indicative of who he is as a passer. His arm isn't that powerful or consistent. He does some things good and was a good game manager at times and at times a huge liability to a team that should have won 10 games.




How many QBs do get elite QB coaching? If you need elite coaching just to complete 60% of your passes, you're not a very good QB.
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How long you gonna keep mentioning that SOS comparison? I used the SOS to argue against TN having played a much superior schedule vs Stanford's and that proved otherwise. And yes Chryst got wins vs some bad teams but my point was he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and JG didn't. Most major elite football schools have good to great coaching. That's where player development comes into play. I didn't say you needed elite coaching to complete 60%, just competent Coach's that know what they are doing. Bad coaching can definitely hinder a QB's development but doesn't mean he's not any good. QB's don't just jump on the football field , without any coaching are be good. It all starts and ends with coaching. Sims at Ala went from about to change positions because he couldn't pass to Kiffin turning him into 62%+ passer and putting up great passing numbers in the best division in college football. If you think they just jump on the field without coaching and play well then boy I have some beach front property in Gatlinburg I'll see you real cheap. Good Lord lil man where the hell did you get your education from? You may wanna make sure they didn't screw you over.

As far as Josh Allen it's relevant because I brought it up. Although you just said a guy should be able to hit 60% without elite coaching but here Allen is well below 60% at a lower tier school, not the highest level of coaching or talent around him..But is a high draft pic because of his arm and measurables. So that further proves my point that stats very rarely tell the full story and can be highly skewed. But according to your theory he isn't any good because of the sub 60% completion %. Seems the guys who get paid to make those evaluations have a different stance on that. Maybe you should stop spewing BS that you obviously are clueless about and focus more on things you have knowledge of, if any! Seems like you're the only one coming off dumb. I'm sure the fellows in the Fat Chic's anonymous meeting you attend hang onto your every word and take it as the gospel, but the majority of us see through it! So save your infinite wisdom for the fellows who actually buy into your BS! Enjoy the fatty's dogg!!
 
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One other caveat to all this is that KC is coming out of a O at Stanford that is out of step with most of the rest of CFB. Everything is about power. The WR's are big... and since they're seldom big enough to suit Shaw they'll throw 4 TE's out there at times. They're a run first, run second, run third, and think about throwing later O. I think UT wants a strong power run game. But I think they'll be more balanced. Somewhere between USC under Helton's brother and WKU under Brohm.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
How long you gonna keep mentioning that SOS comparison? I used the SOS to argue against TN having played a much superior schedule vs Stanford's and that proved otherwise. And yes Chryst got wins vs some bad teams but my point was he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and JG didn't.
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1. It's just a perfect example of how you misunderstand stats and the game of football itself. Your original point was not that he beat the teams he was supposed to. It was that his stats came against tougher competition, which was wrong. I get that there may be a temptation to lie in an attempt to save face, but you should try to be better.

2. Just for the hell of it, another great example of the above was when you tried to argue that Stanford's defense was worse than Utah, Cal, and Oregon because of points allowed and thought that that was a better metric of ranking defenses than scoring defense. Which is just flat out wrong and a very flawed way of looking at the strength of a defense.

Most major elite football schools have good to great coaching. That's where player development comes into play. I didn't say you needed elite coaching to complete 60%, just competent Coach's that know what they are doing. Bad coaching can definitely hinder a QB's development but doesn't mean he's not any good. QB's don't just jump on the football field , without any coaching are be good. It all starts and ends with coaching. Sims at Ala went from about to change positions because he couldn't pass to Kiffin turning him into 62%+ passer and putting up great passing numbers in the best division in college football.
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So you're implying that Chryst was held back by bad coaching at Stanford? Just curious why you think that. Just because it suits the point you want to make, maybe?

If you think they just jump on the field without coaching and play well then boy I have some beach front property in Gatlinburg I'll see you real cheap. Good Lord lil man where the hell did you get your education from? You may wanna make sure they didn't screw you over.
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I went to UT. And my high school taught me how to use apostrophes and how not to write run on sentences. Nice ad hominem attack, though. It really strengthens your argument and makes you look super intelligent.

As far as Josh Allen it's relevant because I brought it up.
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Really? That's the standard of what makes something relevant? Fine then. I'll bring up Jake Locker. A smaller, faster version of KC with a much stronger arm. He was a top ten pick and never did much in the NFL because of accuracy issues.


Although you just said a guy should be able to hit 60% without elite coaching but here Allen is well below 60% at a lower tier school, not the highest level of coaching or talent around him..But is a high draft pic because of his arm and measurables. So that further proves my point that stats very rarely tell the full story and can be highly skewed. But according to your theory he isn't any good because of the sub 60% completion %. Seems the guys who get paid to make those evaluations have a different stance on that.
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Allen was a controversial draft prospect. Some coaches wanted nothing to do with him because of the accuracy issues and a seeming lack of knowledge of the position. We'll see how he turns out.


Also, you probably shouldn't equate being drafted highly with success. Plenty of high draft pics have gone on to do little or nothing. Ever heard of Ryan Leaf? Akili Smith? Jamarcus Russel? Plenty of guys who get paid to make evaluations chose to pick them highly as well.



Maybe you should stop spewing BS that you obviously are clueless about and focus more on things you have knowledge of, if any! Seems like you're the only one coming off dumb. I'm sure the fellows in the Fat Chic's anonymous meeting you attend hang onto your every word and take it as the gospel, but the majority of us see through it! So save your infinite wisdom for the fellows who actually buy into your BS! Enjoy the fatty's dogg!!
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More personal attacks. Very mature and persuasive.
 
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LWSVOL said:
not speculation. its more JG not performing than KC outperforming..

don't trust anything coming from media. they are getting much less than they ever got from CBJ.
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That last statement seems very, very true to me...it was obvious leading up to NSD last year...they were constantly wrong about recruiting info
 
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LWSVOL said:
I don't spend the time doing that any longer.. too busy chasing grandkids, little white ball and traveling.. haven't tripped to Knoxville since 2015
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Congrats on the grandkids, time we'll spent.

A couple of weeks back, you said you no longer talked to anyone at the program etc; so I have to ask - has that changed and this is first-hand info? Or is this speculation off of tidbits of information?
 
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Jesus this thread has taken a life of its own! Seriously though, who honestly cares who wins the job as long as they can hang some W's for us. I am completely indifferent on who wins the starting job. With that said, it appears there are a lot of JG fan boys here. Is K-Town gonna riot if Chryst happens to win the job, will these same JG fans pull for him like they are currently pulling for JG? The team is far more important than any player. If Pruitt thought Shrout gave us a better chance to be succeful than I am all for it. Our passion as fans has always been our strength and crutch. Personally, if our chosen QB can beat Florida, SC, Vandy and KY than this year is a win in my book. Would also like to beat Mizzou just because the Dooley factor!
 
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Only thing I know is this...if JG starts and I see him hold on to the ball too long and get sacked, I want Pruitt to pull him before he can even hit the ground
 
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chargervol said:
Congrats on the grandkids, time we'll spent.

A couple of weeks back, you said you no longer talked to anyone at the program etc; so I have to ask - has that changed and this is first-hand info? Or is this speculation off of tidbits of information?
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Had lunch with some folks this past week. They are well connected..
 
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GrudenVol5th said:
Only thing I know is this...if JG starts and I see him hold on to the ball too long and get sacked, I want Pruitt to pull him before he can even hit the ground
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Idk. I think if he picks a guy he needs to at least give him a half of football unless he throws 3-4 INTs or something.

Whoever starts is likely to struggle starting out unless our ground game is just unstoppable. Pulling guy after one bad play isn’t a good way to inspire him to play confidently.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Idk. I think if he picks a guy he needs to at least give him a half of football unless he throws 3-4 INTs or something.

Whoever starts is likely to struggle starting out unless our ground game is just unstoppable. Pulling guy after one bad play isn’t a good way to inspire him to play confidently.
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Steve SPurrier be like...
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Ten_Titans said:
I'm going to base my stance on JG based on everything we have seen from him. Which isn't much and isn't very good. I'm not sure what else I have to go on. Obviously if he starts I hope he does well.
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Have you actually looked at JGs stat line from last year? He played in 9 games, was 86/139 (61.9%) for 997 yards; 7.2 average per attempt with 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. He had a 128.7 PR.

There is no intention of making any assumptions, but let me lay out these stats from another QB's freshman year.

11 games 89/144 (61.8%) for 1141 yards; 7.9 average per attempt with 11 TDs and 6 ints. Slightly better QB rating of 145.2.

Again, not implying the JGs stats weren't that far off from Peyton's freshman year stats.

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I really don't care who starts, as long as our chances of winning go up when they are in. Joe Schmo from the delta tau delta could start for all I care. :D
 
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Pruitt almost said he would rotate quarterbacks when he talked about how hard it is to transition from one to the other without the other team's possession to mentally adjust.
 
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