QB job is Keller Chryst's to lose going into 2nd scrimmage

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butchna said:
I’m fully convinced some never watched football BEFORE last year. Your first season doesn’t define you as a player. You can get vastly better...or worse. All or nothing mentality is very limited in range.
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Nonetheless it's all we have to go on. Taking what you know about the past and saying it has nothing to do with how things are in the present might be wishful thinking, but it isn't a rational thing to do. Insert famous Einstein quote.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
You don't get it butchna. JG wasn't very good last year, therefore he won't ever be any good. That's Volnation logic
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I’m too rooted in waiting for the truth to happen...ole butchna new tricks.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
He's pinpoint accurate? So all those overthrows are by choice?

While we are on the topic, don't you think JG's accuracy numbers are a bit misleading considering how much he threw the ball within 5 yards of the line?

I don't think Chryst was throwing bubble screens every other play like JG.

Some things to think about. I don't know who you're going to convince by quoting Stat lines or silver linings when we all saw last year with our eyes. The reality is JG hasn't, to this point, proven he is even an average SEC QB.
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So you're going to base your stance on JG on 1 year of a piss poor Butch Jones coached football team where the offensive line, outside of Trey Smith was hot garbage? I might agree with you if we're looking at a larger sample size, but we're not. I'm gonna see how things shake out instead of making sweeping generalizations
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Nonetheless it's all we have to go on. Taking what you know about the past and saying it has nothing to do with how things are in the present might be wishful thinking, but it isn't a rational thing to do. Insert famous Einstein quote.
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Have no problems with doubt based based on current evidence given. Just tend to boo directed verdicts before ALL of the facts actually happen. Currently we have TWO unproven QBs vying for the job. All of the lipstick in East Tennessee isn’t going to make that pig from Stanford any prettier.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
So you're going to base your stance on JG on 1 year of a piss poor Butch Jones coached football team where the offensive line, outside of Trey Smith was hot garbage? I might agree with you if we're looking at a larger sample size, but we're not. I'm gonna see how things shake out instead of making sweeping generalizations
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I'm going to base my stance on JG based on everything we have seen from him. Which isn't much and isn't very good. I'm not sure what else I have to go on. Obviously if he starts I hope he does well.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
He's pinpoint accurate? So all those overthrows are by choice?

While we are on the topic, don't you think JG's accuracy numbers are a bit misleading considering how much he threw the ball within 5 yards of the line?

I don't think Chryst was throwing bubble screens every other play like JG.

Some things to think about. I don't know who you're going to convince by quoting Stat lines or silver linings when we all saw last year with our eyes. The reality is JG hasn't, to this point, proven he is even an average SEC QB.
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So I see you are another poster that has no idea what they are talking about. Just going on emotion.

You do realize that Chryst has never had higher than 6.7 ypa. JG was at 7.17 last year. Over 9ypa his last four games.

He threw deep more than Chryst has in any season of his career. 😂😭😭

If JG isn’t accurate while completing longer passes at a rate 62% to Chryst’s career 55% rate, then what do you consider Chryst to be? 🤔
 
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chargervol said:
Ya'll gonna be arguing about this even after the starter is named, aren't you?
Be honest now..
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Most of what’s being argued discounts the coaches involvement in the decision. I don’t expect that to change for many of the posters AFTERWARDS. I’ll fully back the starter every week...assuming these guys we hired DO this thing for a living better than I POST about it.
 
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k-town_king said:
So I see you are another poster that has no idea what they are talking about. Just going on emotion.

You do realize that Chryst has never had higher than 6.7 ypa. JG was at 7.17 last year. Over 9ypa his last four games.

He threw deep more than Chryst has in any season of his career. 😂😭😭

If JG isn’t accurate while completing longer passes at a rate 62% to Chryst’s career 55% rate, then what do you consider Chryst to be? 🤔
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Not sure what the average proves. He threw deep more. He also threw bubble screens a lot. A bubble screen is a guaranteed completion, something Chryst had less of.

I don't need to play witch doctor to decipher his stats and determine why they are bad. I watched him play every game, and his play was bad, not even borderline bad. Everyone in this thread but you knows he played poorly last year. Cherry picking stats and facts to convince me the Earth is flat is simply not something I care to argue about.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Not sure what the average proves. He threw deep more. He also threw bubble screens a lot. A bubble screen is a guaranteed completion, something Chryst had less of.

I don't need to play witch doctor to decipher his stats and determine why they are bad. I watched him play every game, and his play was bad, not even borderline bad. Everyone in this thread but you knows he played poorly last year. Cherry picking stats and facts to convince me the Earth is flat is simply not something I care to argue about.
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KC OBVIOUSLY threw a ton of bubble screens and short passes. If not he wouldn’t average a half a yard less than the guy you accuse of throwing only short passes.

Plus JGs average went up as the year went on. He wasn’t throwing only short passes his last four starts. He averaged over 9 ypa which would lead the SEC for the year.

Chryst had a ton of “guaranteed completions.” They just weren’t guaranteed for him, being so inaccurate.

You obviously are not basing your argument in fact.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
He's pinpoint accurate? So all those overthrows are by choice?
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He has a very accurate arm. I have never seen a QB who "never" has a missed connection with a receiver. But often those overthrows are made in anticipation of where a receiver will be.

JG has the arm talent and accuracy.

While we are on the topic, don't you think JG's accuracy numbers are a bit misleading considering how much he threw the ball within 5 yards of the line?
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Yes. I've made that case many times myself. Several here think I am "anti" JG because I've criticized things I think he does poorly and don't buy the non-sense about his proven greatness posted by guys like k-town king.
I don't think Chryst was throwing bubble screens every other play like JG.
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No. I posted the USC game. It looks like a pretty good representation of him as a QB. His performance speaks for itself.
Some things to think about. I don't know who you're going to convince by quoting Stat lines or silver linings when we all saw last year with our eyes. The reality is JG hasn't, to this point, proven he is even an average SEC QB.
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You really should read some of my other posts on the KC vs JG debate.
 
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k-town_king said:
KC OBVIOUSLY threw a ton of bubble screens and short passes. If not he wouldn’t average a half a yard less than the guy you accuse of throwing only short passes.
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Sure he would if his avg yds per completion were more... which they are.

Plus JGs average went up as the year went on. He wasn’t throwing only short passes his last four starts. He averaged over 9 ypa which would lead the SEC for the year.
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IOW's if you get to parse and limit the statistics the way you want to JG is the greatest ever...

His numbers vs UK were skewed badly by that last Hail Mary play which was a TERRIBLE throw by him. With no time on the clock he threw a Hail Mary that came down around the 10 yard line. He gave the receivers basically a zero chance of making a play to win the game.

That's not the only meaningless stat that skews JG's stats. He completed a 60 yard pass to George after the LSU game was out of reach. JG threw 4 straight incompletions afterwards to kill the drive in the red zone with no points.

Chryst had a ton of “guaranteed completions.” They just weren’t guaranteed for him, being so inaccurate.

You obviously are not basing your argument in fact.
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Neither are you because you don't seem to have watched JC play much... and are deluded by total bias in watching JG play.
 
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k-town_king said:
KC OBVIOUSLY threw a ton of bubble screens and short passes. If not he wouldn’t average a half a yard less than the guy you accuse of throwing only short passes.

Plus JGs average went up as the year went on. He wasn’t throwing only short passes his last four starts. He averaged over 9 ypa which would lead the SEC for the year.

Chryst had a ton of “guaranteed completions.” They just weren’t guaranteed for him, being so inaccurate.

You obviously are not basing your argument in fact.
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You don't know the first statement without knowing the variance. The average isn't enough information to say that is true.

Second, why would you use YPA? Who cares about attempts when we are arguing about accuracy? Wouldn't yards per completion be a slightly better stat?

Oh wait, no... Chryst has a slightly higher number. Best just ignore it then.

Like I said, incomplete and cherry picked stats.

I don't care enough about this to go round and round to prove to you or myself something I already know is true. To accuse me of being emotional about this is just absurd. My first series of posts pointing out JG's flaws in the entire off season. Also notice how I'm not championing Chryst. I have no dog in the fight of who is better. I just said JG was bad last year which is a fact. Meanwhile, you have spent hours carrying water for the kid for a year. The dedication to cherry pick stats and "prove" something you want to be true doesn't make you the rational one. Quite the opposite.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Dude. Your panties are really in a wad. You're using CAPS like it's going out of style. Lol
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:D For some reason I am not able to select text and italicize it since the website changed. Just letting you know sense your panties seem to be wadding over the use of all caps....
 
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In a perfect VN world, soon the speculation and bickering would be put to an end. Never happen though, regardless of who gets the nod, the first time they blow a play people will be clamoring for the backup. I hope they both improve radically and can give us a chance to move the ball with a diverse playbook and solid management.
 
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TexasVolfan1 said:
I’m starting to think some of you forget that Butch Jones was coaching him last year
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That is true! But if we all take that stance we can't blame poor play on any Player. Also all the 4-8 expectations this year can't be made based off last year's results. I personally would bet anything that we don't have 4-8 talent, we just had 4-8 coaching last year. I would expect the majority of the Players to play up to their talent level with the coaching they have now. JG should have put a huge gap between him and everyone else, especially KC with the huge head start he's had. I think JG wins the job simply because he is the best option this year. Who knows if he keeps it, but I really prefer we don't have a year long rotation at QB because of neither playing at SEC level. One needs to keep it the entire year for continuity.
 
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