Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Ulysees E. McGill]

ok, but just to be clear... I....didn't say we were doomed for failure lol....

Not you..no..sorry you just got lumped in..

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

What was the average recruiting rank of the Clemson team that’s made the last three playoffs? What about the one that Washington represented? Those Oregon teams? I think it’s more about getting your TYPE of players and teaching/developing/coaching them on the field and THEN the higher ranked “your types” sign on. Do that 2-3 years and you’re Bama. Every signing class has a 3 year window...it doesn’t last. But what your program does is what the talent flocks towards. Elite OL/DL sees a coach that gets the most out of his players and they see themselves playing for him. Pruitt’s getting players that can play for him because that’s what’ll make his football success. Player rankings cobbled together by pencilnerds are for us schlub’s consumption.

...So you are agreeing with me..right?

 

[chavisut]

The problem is he isn’t a great route runner so he doesn’t create much separation consistently. He’s not fast enough to take the top off so he’s honestly just one those players that does nothing great but a lot of things okay. (I mean that as a compliment)

Yeah. He was also new to WR. I would hope good coaching can improve the route running. Big fan of the DJ hire.

He's solid at everything and does a lot of stuff well that most WRs don't do at all.

 

[jakez4ut]

The problem is he isn’t a great route runner so he doesn’t create much separation consistently. He’s not fast enough to take the top off so he’s honestly just one those players that does nothing great but a lot of things okay. (I mean that as a compliment)

it may not be a fair comparison, but i have aleasy thought of Jennings a lot like i do of Hines Ward. not overly fast, doesn't spread defenses out, really doesn't scare you at all in the traditional sense a WR might scare a defense.

except he's (Ward that is) physical, will block, and is a reliable pass catcher. i think Jennings can carve out a spot a lot like Ward did, if he can be more consistent in the route running, and be a dependable pass catcher. he brings all the other stuff to the table already. consistency literally is probably what he has to improve on. he won't ever have to be a Julio Jones type guy to be successful....and that's good, cause he's not even close to that!! lol.

 

[jakez4ut]

Not you..no..sorry you just got lumped in..

Damn Mcgill!

 

[HankHill]

it may not be a fair comparison, but i have aleasy thought of Jennings a lot like i do of Hines Ward. not overly fast, doesn't spread defenses out, really doesn't scare you at all in the traditional sense a WR might scare a defense.

except he's (Ward that is) physical, will block, and is a reliable pass catcher. i think Jennings can carve out a spot a lot like Ward did, if he can be more consistent in the route running, and be a dependable pass catcher. he brings all the other stuff to the table already. consistency literally is probably what he has to improve on. he won't ever have to be a Julio Jones type guy to be successful....and that's good, cause he's not even close to that!! lol.

Hines was a great route runner tho. It showed when he was slow and older and was still creating a ton of separation. It sounds crazy but Jennings is a tight end trapped in a WRs body. If he was 245 he would be awesome like Jordan reed. Bc he is good at using his body to seal out the defender.

 

[Sleegro]

Calloway and Brandon Johnson are better in every aspect except catching a Hail Mary

Agreed.

 

[jakez4ut]

Hines was a great route runner tho. It showed when he was slow and older and was still creating a ton of separation. It sounds crazy but Jennings is a tight end trapped in a WRs body. If he was 245 he would be awesome like Jordan reed. Bc he is good at using his body to seal out the defender.

i can see that, and also why i said JJ needs to get more consistent on the route running too....lol.

he definitely has the physicality necessary. he's been out of football for a year, slow so far this to get back in the swing of things.

i don't think he's gonna leave after this season, so who knows, maybe after next year, he develops the other parts needed....

 

[RiotVol]

I’ve been saying this for years. I look at it in tiers:

Tier 1: classes 1-5
Tier 2: classes 6-15
Tier 3: classes 16-25

If you look at each class after a few years they usually will have a lot of similarities.

If you look at win/loss totals in the SEC over time, our record is negatively correlated with South Carolina. I think if you think of our schedule as a ladder, then the most important rung for us is consistently beating South Carolina (which gets us solidly in the upper part of your Tier 2) and then if we can start beating Georgia regularly, that puts us in Tier 1. Our two most important recruiting grounds are Atlanta and the Carolinas. Fulmer was able to build those great teams because he was able to consistently beat South Carolina and Georgia, and cleaned up recruiting in those two areas as a result. When Richt showed up at UGA, and the Spurrier showed up at USC, that kicked the foundation out from under UT. We've struggled ever since because we're playing catch-up in those two areas.

 

[RikidyBones]

The problem is he isn’t a great route runner so he doesn’t create much separation consistently. He’s not fast enough to take the top off so he’s honestly just one those players that does nothing great but a lot of things okay. (I mean that as a compliment)

Dude brings an exceptional mentality to the field. I agree about the football part. The leadership part isnt the angelic type which is a dude you need

 

[85SugarVol]

The problem is he isn’t a great route runner so he doesn’t create much separation consistently. He’s not fast enough to take the top off so he’s honestly just one those players that does nothing great but a lot of things okay. (I mean that as a compliment)

Should be playing Safety. Sigh....

Feels like I’ve been saying that for 84 years.

 

[SugarCC]

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Pretty close! I agree with you by the way.

And I agree with what you're saying, as well.
If we are say 13-14 nationally, some may be kind of disappointed, maybe even me; but, if we are that, and 4 or 5 in SEC, I'm happy. Top 5 in SEC, we're good.
Like, before today, before McCollough's commitment, I believe we were 14 nationally, but 5 in SEC.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think they caught a extremely disappointed AU team that didn't figure out they were in an embarrasing dog fight till it was way too late to wake up...but it is still a good point.

@bignewt I don't know why your post I replied to didn't show up in the quotes..

 

[volfanCLT]

Speaking of Brandon Johnson, haven’t heard much about him at all in fall camp. Have I just missed where he’s been mentioned?

 

[85SugarVol]

Dude brings an exceptional mentality to the field. I agree about the football part. The leadership part isnt the angelic type which is a dude you need

That mentality and leadership would be perfect on........


DEFENSE

 

[SergeantVol]

I’ve been saying this for years. I look at it in tiers:

Tier 1: classes 1-5
Tier 2: classes 6-15
Tier 3: classes 16-25

If you look at each class after a few years they usually will have a lot of similarities.

The Negas don’t want to recognize this. Also talent is only part of the equation. Butch showed us you can have talent, not develop it, and go 4-8.

As we know it, CJP and staff are known for recruiting and developing talent. So a tier 2 class, when developed, could equate to be a tier 1 class.

 

[jakez4ut]

The Negas don’t want to recognize this. Also talent is only part of the equation. Butch showed us you can have talent, not develop it, and go 4-8.

As we know it, CJP and staff are known for recruiting and developing talent. So a tier 2 class, when developed, could equate to be a tier 1 class.

i think, yes, that's the hope at the moment.

 

[SugarCC]

That stat line isn't as impressive as you make it out to be. It's only impressive compared to butch receivers here. Butch only had 3 receivers go over 500 yards in a season and 2 were that year. Dobb's best year. And JJ wasn't even close to Malone that year. Without even trying to compare to any other teams or even good Tennessee teams. Dooley had a receiver go for at least 981 in every year he coached here. 2 of the 3 years Dooley had 2 receivers go for more. Mychal Rivera put up similar numbers to that stat line as the 3rd leading receiver one year. I think JJ is good and has a lot of potential. But what Ulysees said wasn't really ridiculous. It was fairly accurate. I think maybe you just don't remember what it's like to have a receiver put up real numbers since the second best receiving season under butch was 618 by Pig Howard. That was a sad thing to think about. So I'm gonna quit thinking about it.

I see what you're saying, and what McGill said as well, and you're both right. I did a horrible job of explaining. Coming out of his Soph yr, I believed he had all the make-up to be maybe the best WR in the country, if he continued to progress. Of course that didn't happen; but, I believe it's there. To me, he is by far the best WR we have, including Calloway. Whether he gets it done or not is the questuon, because TBH, before he got hurt last year, in the limited time he was on the field, he looked like he wanted to be somewhere else, and I was highly disappointed in him.
I owe McGill an apology for coming at him like I did, when he was right.

 

[SugarCC]

What have I said that is ridiculous? And I never said JJ cant be a good WR...You said that he was one of the best in the country..that is absolutely ridiculous ..at this point. He may turn out to be, but he sure as hell better get his butt in gear.

I apologize, buddy; you're absolutely right. I did a horrible job in saying what I wanted. No, JJ is not one of the best WR in the country. I believe the potential is there for him to be, and coming off his So season, I expected him to show it, but...
But no, nothing you said is ridiculous. Now...other things you have said...

 

[Kingston Vol]

The problem is he isn’t a great route runner so he doesn’t create much separation consistently. He’s not fast enough to take the top off so he’s honestly just one those players that does nothing great but a lot of things okay. (I mean that as a compliment)

His best attribute is his attitude.

 

[LA Vol]

*whispers* Jennings is our 3rd best WR even when he’s at 100%.

Never said he was our best receiver-- just that he was looking good until he got dinged up. But none of them, even #1, has been consistent.

 

[HankHill]

The Negas don’t want to recognize this. Also talent is only part of the equation. Butch showed us you can have talent, not develop it, and go 4-8.

As we know it, CJP and staff are known for recruiting and developing talent. So a tier 2 class, when developed, could equate to be a tier 1 class.

Washington and Oregon seem to be the exception but i just link that to great coaching. I expect UCLA to be in the same mold going forward. I know people like to point to Wisconsin being good even tho they don’t recruit great but i honestly never think they are that good.

 

[Vols4us]

Hines was a great route runner tho. It showed when he was slow and older and was still creating a ton of separation. It sounds crazy but Jennings is a tight end trapped in a WRs body. If he was 245 he would be awesome like Jordan reed. Bc he is good at using his body to seal out the defender.

I said that about JJ awhile back and had some posters lose their minds. But it is true. He plays the position like a TE much of the time. That's OK if he is utilized on pass catching TE type routes. The staff will figure out what to do with him.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

JJ is definitely an average WR.

 

[chavisut]

JJ is definitely an average WR.

3rd and 3, give me JJ on the field. Run or pass.