To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The state of today’s technology says you’re wrong. Could be as easy as an air printer.
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I don't necessarily think it is a matter of being able to do so or not, if the person does have an existing warrant then it can be produced back at the station if the warrant isn't petty and meaningless, like you didn't pay a parking ticket. Issue a ticket and let them go. However, if the warrant is for a felony or crime deserving then produce it back at the station.

My only issue is that sometimes when a person is pulled over for something else, and then the pursuit of an existing issue is sought for furthuring the arrest in liue of the original issue. But, it still doesn't change the fact that the individual has an issue needing attention, and most of them know full well of the existing issue and havn't sought to correct it lawfully.
 
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tennvols77 said:
If the police are going to execute, or this is the primary reason for going to pick up an individual, they need to have it.

Occurences that happen on the spot because of something else or some other crime or investigation, and then it shows up during the event, then having one in hand should not be necessary.
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That’s kinda the real point, isn’t it. If they are executing the warrant, of course it should be in hand.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The state of today’s technology says you’re wrong. Could be as easy as an air printer.
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They have that technology, it's called NCIC.

As for downloading the appropriate file, it's, again, unreasonable to think it should be immediately available.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Take the situation in question. How hard was it to just go back to the car and either produce a copy of the warrant or show him the proof they have?
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You ask this after posting the link about cops lying? Who's too say the person wouldn't claim it was "made up" and refuse?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You ask this after posting the link about cops lying? Who's too say the person wouldn't claim it was "made up" and refuse?
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Truth is truth. Cops can legally lie or otherwise give misleading information to someone and get away with it. But if we lie to the cops, woe onto you.
 
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tennvols77 said:
I don't necessarily think it is a matter of being able to do so or not, if the person does have an existing warrant then it can be produced back at the station if the warrant isn't petty and meaningless, like you didn't pay a parking ticket. Issue a ticket and let them go. However, if the warrant is for a felony or crime deserving then produce it back at the station.

My only issue is that sometimes when a person is pulled over for something else, and then the pursuit of an existing issue is sought for furthuring the arrest in liue of the original issue. But, it still doesn't change the fact that the individual has an issue needing attention, and most of them know full well of the existing issue and havn't sought to correct it lawfully.
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Isn't that kinda like suspending one of your workers for missing too many days?
 
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tennvols77 said:
If the police are going to execute, or this is the primary reason for going to pick up an individual, they need to have it.

Occurences that happen on the spot because of something else or some other crime or investigation, and then it shows up during the event, then having one in hand should not be necessary.
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In most states, that I'm aware, sheriff's departments keep the paper copy of the warrants on file, municipal (city) departments do not. In some larger counties, you can have more than 5 agencies, each having to rely upon the warrants division at the sheriff's office to get those warrants in hand (confirmed, as was mentioned in the video) in order to properly effect the arrest of an individual with warrants.

This individual was going to have his warrant served to him at the jail and be read an account of the charges against him.
 
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I don’t understand why people call the cops when it is a clear medical issue. If you want your loved one to die, call the cops. If you want your loved one to get help, call an ambulance.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I don’t understand why people call the cops when it is a clear medical issue. If you want your loved one to die, call the cops. If you want your loved one to get help, call an ambulance.
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This is why I say that this country's police problem isn't just the fault of the state. We have far too many people that believe a uniformed state worker can solve all of life's problems. We rely far to much on these cops to resolve simple disputes, vices, and minor infractions that don't threaten another person's life/limb/property.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
In most states, that I'm aware, sheriff's departments keep the paper copy of the warrants on file, municipal (city) departments do not. In some larger counties, you can have more than 5 agencies, each having to rely upon the warrants division at the sheriff's office to get those warrants in hand (confirmed, as was mentioned in the video) in order to properly effect the arrest of an individual with warrants.

This individual was going to have his warrant served to him at the jail and be read an account of the charges against him.
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Lyle? :)
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look, I get it. He's a thief and he attempted to assault the restaurant employee before he fled the scene.

But damn... was this really necessary over a $1 soda?
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Agreed. Yes it was theft, an employee got him got him to leave. I’m not sure why the employee continued after him outside. Not sure why/when the cops were called. This was weird.
 
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Not sure about this one. I can understand a father being protective, but there is a line. There is a possible precedent in the case (though a different state) where the Texas father found the guy molesting his daughter and shot him.

Arizona father beats, kills man who followed his daughter into bathroom stall, police say

An Arizona father decided to “take care of a situation” his own way when he killed a man who attempted to enter a bathroom stall his daughter was in, police said.

Melvin Harris III faces a second-degree murder charge in the beating death of Leon Leevon Armstrong, AZFamily.com reported on Tuesday. Harris was taken into custody earlier this month after the deadly encounter at a QuikTrip convenience store in Phoenix involving his 16-year-old daughter.

She then identified Armstrong as the alleged harasser when she spotted him walking out of the store.

Possibly thinking not enough was being done, Harris approached the security guard and told him to “take care of the situation, or he would do it himself.” The guard said the incident was being handled.

The protective father, however, confronted Armstrong about the incident and then attacked him, authorities said. Witnesses told police Harris repeatedly stomped, punched and kicked the man.
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