We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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#926
Obsessed said:
I’d wager this wouldn’t even be a thread if both of the folks involved were black....
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What is that supposed to mean? I started the thread and I haven't played favorites to either side. The world would be a better place if all 3 people involved in this were blown away that day.

Really not sure what your angle is.
 
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T-TownVol said:
If the previous incidents happened with the shooter, why was his CCW permit not pulled?

I would hope that I would not pull the trigger in this situation, but I can not say for sure. And none of us on VN could say that with 100% certainty either if we are honest with ourselves.......
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If you carry, you have a responsibility to not provoke, confront or initiate any sort of conflict because of how quickly emotions (from either yourself or the person you are confronting) can get carried away. This guy knew damn well that he would get a rise out of people by approaching them about a parking space.

Unfortunately for Mr. Goon/White Knight, he took the bait and gave Barney Fife a fresh kill.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
To Louder...I came late to this thread and didn't read all the pages. I took the shooter to be a senior, and I took him to be taking up for himself ...to find out it was his mother who is disabled. However.... many disabled folk are young, the age of a disabled person needing HC parking is immaterial. I've needed 6 mos. temporary HC hangtags from my early 20s. Probably only needed one half a dozen times until a few years ago and I got a permanent one. But when you really need one and all are taken and you see a non HC car taking one up it's really irratating. I tell myself maybe they forgot to hang it up.

The guy teaching the Concealed Carry course I took pounded into our heads that once the decision to draw the weapon was made we were holding life in our hands, not just the gun. We had to believe our life or body was in imminent danger...we had to have provocation.

Then the act of unlimbering/exposing the concealed weapon becomes a threat of the use of deadly force.
After exposing the weapon
we had to think on three things because just seeing a gun may cause the agressor to pull one. So, immediately:

1. Release the safety,
2. Put your finger on the trigger
3. We are responsible for our bullet, are there innocent bystanders, etc.
4. So, DO NOT directly aim at the aggressor but safely just away and KNOW you're life or serious bodily harm is in IMMINENT danger. If so, center your sights.
5. Aim in center of chest to STOP the aggressor, not wound, they can kill you wounded. Use as many rounds as necessary.

I don't see provocation to take deadly aim after he exposed his weapon. I can't hear anything.

He had already been viciously attacked and knocked to the ground.

Personally, I can't call it murder. It may be manslaughter.
He may go free.
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I think murder would be hard to convict simply because he got attacked on his blindside and in the heat of the moment, most people are not thinking clearly.

I could go manslaughter or acquittal. I just wish there was a way for karma to catch the girlfriend and the shooter to make them pay for their parts in all of this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think murder would be hard to convict simply because he got attacked on his blindside and in the heat of the moment, most people are not thinking clearly.

I could go manslaughter or acquittal. I just wish there was a way for karma to catch the girlfriend and the shooter to make them pay for their parts in all of this.
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Force them to live with each other for a few years.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is that supposed to mean? I started the thread and I haven't played favorites to either side. The world would be a better place if all 3 people involved in this were blown away that day.

Really not sure what your angle is.
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It wasn’t at you Ras. More so the incident itself.

Black man killed by whitey.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If you carry, you have a responsibility to not provoke, confront or initiate any sort of conflict because of how quickly emotions (from either yourself or the person you are confronting) can get carried away. This guy knew damn well that he would get a rise out of people by approaching them about a parking space.

Unfortunately for Mr. Goon/White Knight, he took the bait and gave Barney Fife a fresh kill.
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Ok....can you now answer my actual question?
 
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While McGlockton broke the law by assaulting Drejka, Drejka's response was disproportionate. He acted out of fear (and/or anger) in the heat of the moment, so the killing was not premeditated. But that does not mean it was justified.

Gualtieri conceded that Drejka "probably could have" defended himself by brandishing the gun without firing it. He has also said that he himself would not have fired in that situation. Yet he erroneously insisted that Florida law barred him from arresting Drejka. He has asserted that police are not supposed to second-guess the subjective judgment of people who use lethal force, which is wrong, and that police are not supposed to make an arrest unless it is "absolutely clear" that a shooting was illegal, which is also wrong.
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Michael Drejka, Who Supposedly Could Not Be Arrested for Killing Markeis McGlockton, Is Charged With Manslaughter
 
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#940
Rightly so. Now he gets his stand your ground hearing where the judge will decide if that is valid as a defense or not. If the judge says no it moves to trial. If the judge agrees with the stand-your-ground application then it's over and he goes free. That is my understanding of what's about to happen. But the huge point here is, the prosecution has the huge burden of proving he was not in fear of his life
 
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#941
Is there anyone that ever thought this wouldn't be the outcome? Seemed pretty obvious to me.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Rightly so. Now he gets his stand your ground hearing where the judge will decide if that is valid as a defense or not. If the judge says no it moves to trial. If the judge agrees with the stand-your-ground application then it's over and he goes free. That is my understanding of what's about to happen. But the huge point here is, the prosecution has the huge burden of proving he was not in fear of his life
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That's not how it works since this is manslaughter, actually. All they have to prove is that his fear was not reasonable.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Pretty sure people in this thread stated he wouldn't see the inside of a court room.
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I didn't really follow the thread that much. I'm not surprised about that though. I saw one look at the video and thought, yep, that old boy is getting a death sentence.
 
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T-TownVol said:
the prosecution has the huge burden of proving he was not in reasonable fear of his life
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Added to your post for clarification. Simply being afraid, and I mean everybody understands you had a level of fear, does not meet the threshold for justified use of lethal force.

Let's say, for example, you have a 100% known case of bovinophobia. Even given this fact if you unload a mag into the guy in the cow suit at Chick Fil A we're not giving you a pass. Once McGlockton stopped, backed away and eventually turned away to continue creating distance and was then shot I think the "reasonable" part of the justification left the building. I will be surprised and disappointed if the SYG hearing doesn't result in a denial.
 
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Bottom line is if you're a CC, you take on a lot of responsibility. This isn't some scared homeowner shooting a burglar. He picked a fight and then immediately jumps to "I feared for my life" because he got pushed? That doesn't fly. This is a guy who has a history of looking for a fight. He's demonstrated he's not a responsible gun owner and that he's a hot head on multiple occasions. It's not going to be hard to prove this guy is negligent.

And if they go to civil court? That's a slam dunk.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's not how it works since this is manslaughter, actually. All they have to prove is that his fear was not reasonable.
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It is exactly how it works here in Florida. He gets the stand your ground hearing first. If that is denied then he goes on trial for manslaughter. Stand your ground must be disproven first. But what do I know, I just live here and follow it. I guess I should concede to someone from Arizona.
 
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hndog609 said:
Added to your post for clarification. Simply being afraid, and I mean everybody understands you had a level of fear, does not meet the threshold for justified use of lethal force.

Let's say, for example, you have a 100% known case of bovinophobia. Even given this fact if you unload a mag into the guy in the cow suit at Chick Fil A we're not giving you a pass. Once McGlockton stopped, backed away and eventually turned away to continue creating distance and was then shot I think the "reasonable" part of the justification left the building. I will be surprised and disappointed if the SYG hearing doesn't result in a denial.
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Stand your ground has to be disproven first. The manslaughter is the charge that he will be tried on if, if stand your ground is disproven.
 
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