We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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#851
Septic said:
Apparently at the same place, over the same thing.

Indicates a pattern of behavior - he was looking for it and got it.

I can't imagine a jury taking this into account and coming to a conclusion of it being in the spirit of a legit SYG defense.
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it may, it may not. one could argue that he got into similar situations without shooting anyone.
 
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Vol0725 said:
The pause & step back lasted 1.5-2 seconds before we notice a victim reaction to the shot. Happened fast. Shooter may have never noticed pause/step back. We just don’t know.

By the way, does the shooter wear glasses? (Based on photos I’ve seen, yes)
Were they knocked off or sideways?
We’re they on? Near-sighted, far-sighted or legally blind without them?
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People get emotional about the shooting and do not think about all that is happening, they just see video that is fuzzy and far away with no audio.......
 
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#855
Here is the video. I feel like some of you need to watch it again. MM pushes Drejka. His momentum carries him a little forward. Then he stops. Then he retreats. He does not reach for a weapon. And he's shot. I'm a 2A supporter who thinks opponents are lunatics. If this isn't careless use of a firearm, then opponents of 2A suddenly become a lot more sympathetic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idbrk0c2KpU[/youtube]
 
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n_huffhines said:
here is the video. I feel like some of you need to watch it again. Mm pushes drejka. His momentum carries him a little forward. Then he stops. Then he retreats. He does not reach for a weapon. And he's shot. I'm a 2a supporter who thinks opponents are lunatics. If this isn't careless use of a firearm, then opponents of 2a suddenly become a lot more sympathetic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idbrk0c2kpu[/youtube]
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1:09- 1:10
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Does the fact that his right hand is obscured even come Into your thought process when looking at the video?
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From my point of view, it doesn't look like it's obscured to the shooter. He may not be able to see in his hand, but he can see if his arm moves for a pocket or a waistband, and his arm does not move.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Have you seen the video?
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Multiple times watching various specific details.

I carried in Florida under the old law where burden of proof in invoking SYG fell on me so that's the criteria I'm still using and why it appears to check all the boxes, which I covered in an earlier post.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Here is the video. I feel like some of you need to watch it again. MM pushes Drejka. His momentum carries him a little forward. Then he stops. Then he retreats. He does not reach for a weapon. And he's shot. I'm a 2A supporter who thinks opponents are lunatics. If this isn't careless use of a firearm, then opponents of 2A suddenly become a lot more sympathetic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idbrk0c2KpU[/youtube]
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Case Solved!!!!
You do nit disappoint Huff.....
 
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n_huffhines said:
From my point of view, it doesn't look like it's obscured to the shooter. He may not be able to see in his hand, but he can see if his arm moves for a pocket or a waistband, and his arm does not move.
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He is turned away from the shooter. His hand/arm are obscured. The shooter has no way to know if the guy is reaching for a weapon.

Any attorney worth his salt will point this out. This is after being assaulted as well.


Yeah, the guy is a busybody douche canoe. That’s without question. The question is does this fit under syg protocols? I think it does.
 
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DynaLo said:
Please prove from the assaulted guys viewpoint on the ground that his attacker was retreating and did not appear to be reaching for a weapon..
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The law is not (thankfully) written as some blank check to be filled out by the defendant about his "feels". We KNOW the person backed up...in fact as far back as the vehicle behind him physically allowed and then turned and was taking another step away from the shooter before being shot.

And we need to address this "reaching for a weapon" because it's been brought up more than once. When you, or anyone, are not doing something particular with your hands where are they? If this guy was walking away where would you expect his hands to be? We all know the answer to this question. Unless you are arguing it was the shootee's obligation to have his hands up (or some other particular position) he was shot with his hands doing absolutely nothing that constituted a reasonable use of lethal force.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Here is the video. I feel like some of you need to watch it again. MM pushes Drejka. His momentum carries him a little forward. Then he stops. Then he retreats. He does not reach for a weapon. And he's shot. I'm a 2A supporter who thinks opponents are lunatics. If this isn't careless use of a firearm, then opponents of 2A suddenly become a lot more sympathetic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idbrk0c2KpU[/youtube]
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What did the shooter reach for and pick up off the ground at the end of the video? Were they his glasses that got knocked off or something else?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
He is turned away from the shooter. His hand/arm are obscured. The shooter has no way to know if the guy is reaching for a weapon.
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How many times have we argued with cop apologists for defending cops who shot unarmed people simply because they were afraid?

When you have a CC, you are accepting extra responsibility, much like a cop does. You can't shoot people because you're afraid...he accepted extra responsibility and uses* it like a bully and a coward, and he belongs in jail.

*present tense, since this isn't an isolated incident
 
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n_huffhines said:
From my point of view, it doesn't look like it's obscured to the shooter. He may not be able to see in his hand, but he can see if his arm moves for a pocket or a waistband, and his arm does not move.
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Huff,
The prosecutor will have to PROVE that the shooter did not feel is life was in danger.......let that sink in......not the video, not the "who caused the altercation", but PROVE that the shooter did not fear for his life.......

That is a HUGE burden to prove.......I watched a USF professor talk about it this morning. She said that the burden is on the persecution and it is "extremely" difficult in a case like this.......
 
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n_huffhines said:
How many times have we argued with cop apologists for defending cops who shot unarmed people simply because they were afraid?

When you have a CC, you are accepting extra responsibility, much like a cop does. You can't shoot people because you're afraid...he accepted extra responsibility and uses* it like a bully and a coward, and he belongs in jail.

*present tense, since this isn't an isolated incident
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The guy was assaulted, Huff. He had no idea what was coming.


And yes, cops routinely get away with this very kind of shooting.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Huff,
The prosecutor will have to PROVE that the shooter did not feel is life was in danger.......let that sink in......not the video, not the "who caused the altercation", but PROVE that the shooter did not fear for his life.......

That is a HUGE burden to prove.......I watched a USF professor talk about it this morning. She said that the burden is on the persecution and it is "extremely" difficult in a case like this.......
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The shooter looked legally blind almost without his glasses, it appears they may have gotten knocked off after he was uprooted and smashed back to the ground.

Exhibit 1: multiple photos of Rx glasses

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The guy was assaulted, Huff. He had no idea what was coming.

And yes, cops routinely get away with this very kind of shooting.
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So if this were a cop harassing a lady over BS and the guy shoved him, you'd say it was a good shooting?
 
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Vol0725 said:
The shooter looked legally blind almost without his glasses, it appears they may have gotten knocked off after he was uprooted and smashed back to the ground.

Exhibit 1: multiple photos of Rx glasses
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You can tell if people are legally blind by looking at them?

That dude does not look 47.
 
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hndog609 said:
The law is not (thankfully) written as some blank check to be filled out by the defendant about his "feels". We KNOW the person backed up...in fact as far back as the vehicle behind him physically allowed and then turned and was taking another step away from the shooter before being shot.

And we need to address this "reaching for a weapon" because it's been brought up more than once. When you, or anyone, are not doing something particular with your hands where are they? If this guy was walking away where would you expect his hands to be? We all know the answer to this question. Unless you are arguing it was the shootee's obligation to have his hands up (or some other particular position) he was shot with his hands doing absolutely nothing that constituted a reasonable use of lethal force.
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You know it from watching the video..the assaulted guy didn't have that luxury in the 5 or 6 seconds that lapsed between his getting assaulted and discharging his weapon in what he immediately determined/felt was a self defense situation.

Can you state with fact that the attacker did not verbally threaten him with more bodily harm or death at the time of the assault?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You can tell if people are legally blind by looking at them?

That dude does not look 47.
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No I said it “looked” as if he were. He may be far-sighted or near-sighted. We don’t have all the facts.

Who knows, that’s what people tweeted came from his Facebook page.
 
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