We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

[Rasputin_Vol]

It is actually a law that they exist........

Another person with reading comprehension issues. I clearly said "should be".

 

[T-TownVol]

Another person with reading comprehension issues. I clearly said "should be".

And you are wrong to think that.......

 

[lawgator1]

Hearsay????

No, the truck driver guy can recount his episode with him. I just wonder how the driver could be called the n word and specifically threatened with being shot, over a parking space, and not report it to anyone at the time.

 

[T-TownVol]

No, the truck driver guy can recount his episode with him. I just wonder how the driver could be called the n word and specifically threatened with being shot, over a parking space, and not report it to anyone at the time.

Doesn't that make his statement hearsay.......

 

[n_huffhines]

The bold text is muh feelz. Feelings don’t supersede laws, rights or due process.

What feelings and laws are you talking about? If you kill somebody because you were irresponsible with a gun, your car, etc., that's manslaughter by law. Feelings got nothing to do with it.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of "reasonable" fear of death or bodily harm. Since it's the brain of the shooter where the decision was made, and that brain was responding to his condition and perception, isn't that where "reasonable" should be judged?

I described the situation he was in. The video shows it. My question per your attribute of "two seconds" in the decision process seems, well, reasonable to expect an answer.

Should the man automatically not be afraid anymore, after being violently assaulted, because he has the expectation that the attacker wouldn't pull a gun after backing away...or after a predetermined time?

Don't disagree. It's impossible to place yourself in his state of mind.

 

[LouderVol]

First off, some reading for you to make what I'm saying clear:



I had to add that in for the people such as yourself. In one of my earlier posts I specifically mentioned the ADA turning these parking spots into entitlements for what would generally be lazy, overweight sloths... with a handful of truly handicapped people sprinkled in between.

And even if it is the law, do you need citizens or the police wasting their time trying to enforce this?

that entitlement actually comes from private doctors, I guess government ones could do it too, but the vast majority are going to be private individuals. When my dad had a temporary ADA tag he had to prove it with a doctors note before the government issued him a pass.

and the law isn't FOR the lazy, its FOR those who actually need it. the ones that actually can't make it over a curb. Just because it is taken advantage of doesn't invalidate the law itself.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And you are wrong to think that.......

Really? To think it should be a courtesy instead of a govt mandate? And we should have police and vigilantes alike enforcing something this trivial? Really?

 

[T-TownVol]

that entitlement actually comes from private doctors, I guess government ones could do it too, but the vast majority are going to be private individuals. When my dad had a temporary ADA tag he had to prove it with a doctors note before the government issued him a pass.

and the law isn't FOR the lazy, its FOR those who actually need it. the ones that actually can't make it over a curb. Just because it is taken advantage of doesn't invalidate the law itself.

Ras hates all laws.....

 

[T-TownVol]

Really? To think it should be a courtesy instead of a govt mandate? And we should have police and vigilantes alike enforcing something this trivial? Really?

Strike the garbage at the end of your statement as that is not what any of us are disagreeing with you about........Yes

 

[Vol0725]

In hindsight, it would have been better if the shooter pulled out his weapon and had the wherewithal to say: “Stop. Or I’ll shoot.”

 

[n_huffhines]

Ya'll talking about me or Sin City? We need to get that straight.

You

 

[InVOLuntary]

Correct you cannot tell.

True, not all have safeties (such as revolvers, which then has to be cocked).There are internal safeties to prevent non-trigger-pull discharge (e.g., dropping the gun---the gun may have slammed hard against the asphalt and his body weight and forced safety engagement)...Also, there's grip safety which amounts to a "dead man switch" -- if the grip safety is not held down, the trigger is disengaged and the gun won't fire...point is, we don't have all the facts yet.

Not entirely true. Most modern revolvers are double action meaning they don't require cocking (single action). Many semis have no safeties (i.e. Glocks) as they are double action as well.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You

OK thanks. Now what were you saying? I wasn't paying any attention.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Absent any visible weapon* would be a component of "reasonable". Otherwise, again, we may as well just start purging and argue "I was scared and assumed the possibility of a weapon" if anybody asks why you shot someone.



*Now maybe if dude reached in his pocket and pulled out a big black cell phone and they guy fired I'd wager that would become part of the discussion.

You've ignored the vast chasm between the concept of "anybody", and the guy that just blindside attacked you.

 

[DynaLo]

First off, some reading for you to make what I'm saying clear:



I had to add that in for the people such as yourself. In one of my earlier posts I specifically mentioned the ADA turning these parking spots into entitlements for what would generally be lazy, overweight sloths... with a handful of truly handicapped people sprinkled in between.

And even if it is the law, do you need citizens or the police wasting their time trying to enforce this?

I hope you are talking about the no placard/plate lazy azzhats that feel entitled to take the space from someone who truly needs it and has the state issued docs to park there.

If not, please provide the name of the state DMV that lists lazy and or overweight sloth as meeting the criteria for a handicapped placard/plate.

Most states consider drivers disabled if they:

Don’t have full use of one or both arms.
Can’t walk a set number of feet without stopping to rest. Some states set this number as low as 50; others, as high as 200.
Can’t walk without using a cane, crutch, brace, prosthetic device, wheelchair, or the assistance of another person.
Have a Class III or Class IV cardiac condition, as set by the American Heart Association.
Must have portable oxygen to walk.
Have a visual acuity of 20/200 or less in the better eye with correcting lenses.
Have a visual acuity of 20/200 but with a limited field of vision in which the widest diameter of the visual field subtends an angle of 20 degrees or less.

 

[General Jack]

Florida's 'stand your ground' law under scrutiny after father killed over parking spot

Blame to go around everywhere.

1. Too many handicapped spots for a bunch of lazy, overweight sloths
2. Hoodrat displaying typical ghetto head bobbing, gum smacking, attitude over clearly parking in handicapped space
3. Old entitled baby boomer geezer with a gun trying to throw his weight around and Barney Fife a situation
4. Hoodwolf/white knight boyfriend coming out to defend hoodrat's honor and just escalates a verbal confrontation into an assault

This entire country is a dumpster fire. Where is our soul?

Agree, sad story...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

and the law isn't FOR the lazy, its FOR those who actually need it. the ones that actually can't make it over a curb. Just because it is taken advantage of doesn't invalidate the law itself.

I didn't say it was "for" the lazy, nor am I suggesting that since it is being taken advantage of, that it invalidates the law.

Let me say it one more time so that you can understand:

It should be a courtesy.

Nothing more. Nothing less. But now, you get entitled individuals like this guy (or likely far less as aggressive as this guy) that feel like they can confront people over an arbitrary parking spot. Or, feel compelled to call the police overy a parking spot.

It's that sort of mentality in this country that hits at the very heart of this entire shooting incident. A parking spot is not worth having laws written for it, nor worthy of police action, nor worthy of confronting people, nor worthy of back talking and chicken necking with a stranger, nor worth losing your life over.

 

[T-TownVol]

I didn't say it was "for" the lazy, nor am I suggesting that since it is being taken advantage of, that it invalidates the law.

Let me say it one more time so that you can understand:

It should be a courtesy.

Nothing more. Nothing less. But now, you get entitled individuals like this guy (or likely far less as aggressive as this guy) that feel like they can confront people over an arbitrary parking spot. Or, feel compelled to call the police overy a parking spot.

It's that sort of mentality in this country that hits at the very heart of this entire shooting incident. A parking spot is not worth having laws written for it, nor worthy of police action, nor worthy of confronting people, nor worthy of back talking and chicken necking with a stranger, nor worth losing your life over.

Feel Better???

Still wrong.......

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I hope you are talking about the no placard/plate lazy azzhats that feel entitled to take the space from someone who truly needs it and has the state issued docs to park there.

If not, please provide the name of the state DMV that lists lazy and or overweight sloth as meeting the criteria for a handicapped placard/plate.

Most states consider drivers disabled if they:

Don’t have full use of one or both arms.
Can’t walk a set number of feet without stopping to rest. Some states set this number as low as 50; others, as high as 200.
Can’t walk without using a cane, crutch, brace, prosthetic device, wheelchair, or the assistance of another person.
Have a Class III or Class IV cardiac condition, as set by the American Heart Association.
Must have portable oxygen to walk.
Have a visual acuity of 20/200 or less in the better eye with correcting lenses.
Have a visual acuity of 20/200 but with a limited field of vision in which the widest diameter of the visual field subtends an angle of 20 degrees or less.

Stop... just stop. If doctors are known to be out here over prescribing meds, they are certainly more than capable of giving someone a bogus pass to get a handicapped decal. Don't try to play coy.

And as far as the people with no placard, so what? They park in a handicapped spot. Is it your job to confront them or call the cops on them?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Feel Better???

Still wrong.......

Not sure if it is wrong. It is a minority opinion though. I will say that.

 

[LouderVol]

I didn't say it was "for" the lazy, nor am I suggesting that since it is being taken advantage of, that it invalidates the law.

Let me say it one more time so that you can understand:

It should be a courtesy.

Nothing more. Nothing less. But now, you get entitled individuals like this guy (or likely far less as aggressive as this guy) that feel like they can confront people over an arbitrary parking spot. Or, feel compelled to call the police overy a parking spot.

It's that sort of mentality in this country that hits at the very heart of this entire shooting incident. A parking spot is not worth having laws written for it, nor worthy of police action, nor worthy of confronting people, nor worthy of back talking and chicken necking with a stranger, nor worth losing your life over.

No, the law is about ensuring that everyone has similar access to all services, if provided to the public. Access, not actual service. It should very much not be just a courtesy item. Its about at least making sure that every American has the same access as anyone else, making sure there is no class creation thru passive denial of service. (or active).

 

[DynaLo]

That lawfully mandated placard and parking spot could be the difference in someone being able to live on their own and be able to shop on their own or have to be placed in a living facility or rely on some other means of transport.

Here's to hoping you continue to be healthy and hale and never, ever, ever require a parking placard. Not everyone is so fortunate.

 

[T-TownVol]

Not sure if it is wrong. It is a minority opinion though. I will say that.

I do not think that an amount of people that could even be documented would say that handicap ramps and spaces are not necessary........."If you are in a wheelchair, you are not a person worthy of being able to enter"........these people are the reason it is a law......is it abused, YES......does it need to be optional, NO......

 

[Vol0725]

After the victim put the Ndamukong Suh (or Conrad Dobler, if you prefer) late hit QB smash to the asphalt on the shooter...wonder if the victim had an evil look on his face and/or said something along the lines of “I’m gonna kill you you mother’fer” ?