We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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Vol8188 said:
Stand your ground isn’t the issue. Self defense is a natural right. The issue is with people being dumb enough to believe you can attack another person and that they have no right to defend themselves. Don’t attack people and they won’t shoot you.
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Indeed. I don’t feel sorry for people who get what they ask for.
 
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AirVol said:
Never never ever put a political bumper sticker on your vehicle.
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True that.... my father in law had a Trump sticker on his truck and I told him he was stupid if he didn't take it off. I told him he was begging for trouble by keeping it on. I said someone's gonna key it at the very least.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
After watching it a second time I think simply pulling the gun out was enough as the dude appears to turn and start to back off....this is the only thing that bugs me at all about the shooting.
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I agree with that. I don’t see any evidence that the attacker was going to come at him again. That’s my only issue.
 
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WTF is wrong with Sheriffs in Florida?

From CNN

Witnesses told police that McGlockton came outside, walked over to Drejka while he was arguing and "forcibly pushed" Drejka, causing him to fall.

"This is a violent push, this wasn't a shove, this wasn't just a tap," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a Friday press conference.
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From Vox (again, I feel dirty)

Drejka had a legal concealed carry permit, according to the sheriff.

Drejka also reportedly has a history of confronting people over handicap spaces, allegedly threatening to shoot a trucker in the past over the issue. But the sheriff said that, legally, Drejka’s history isn’t relevant to the Thursday shooting.
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You darn tootin his history is relevant to the shooting.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Murder.

Sorry LG, but the State won't have a hard time proving there was no threat for serious bodily harm or death in this one. A shove doesn't equal the application of deadly force. Guy was backing up and clearly not a threat at the time of the shooting.

This guy gives lawful gun owners and CCW carriers a bad rap as Ras stated.
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Murder will be hard to prove. Surprisingly I agree with the sheriff here. He blindsided the guy, he never saw him coming.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Murder will be hard to prove. Surprisingly I agree with the sheriff here. He blindsided the guy, he never saw him coming.
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In the end, he still backed off. He pushed him (not a violent shove BTW) and was well away from the "victim" in this instance.

Presenting the firearm is one thing. But shooting him when he wasn't presenting a threat? SYG laws to the side, you and I both know this flies in the face of every self defense class taught out there.

Maybe not murder as legalities go, but surely manslaughter. Regardless, the guy needs to be locked up especially if he has a history of such encounters.
 
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Grand Vol said:
In the end, he still backed off. He pushed him (not a violent shove BTW) and was well away from the "victim" in this instance.

Presenting the firearm is one thing. But shooting him when he wasn't presenting a threat? SYG laws to the side, you and I both know this flies in the face of every self defense class taught out there.

Maybe not murder as legalities go, but surely manslaughter. Regardless, the guy needs to be locked up especially if he has a history of such encounters.
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I agree he backed off. Which is making me change my opinion after rewatching. But “wasn’t a violent shove”? I think you’re 100% off base on that
 
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Grand Vol said:
In the end, he still backed off. He pushed him (not a violent shove BTW) and was well away from the "victim" in this instance.

Presenting the firearm is one thing. But shooting him when he wasn't presenting a threat? SYG laws to the side, you and I both know this flies in the face of every self defense class taught out there.

Maybe not murder as legalities go, but surely manslaughter. Regardless, the guy needs to be locked up especially if he has a history of such encounters.
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I’ll agree with manslaughter. The threat was over. As soon as he makes a move for the gun, the guy backs off. That should’ve been the end of it. Sadly, it wasn’t.

I disagree completely about the shove.
 
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Grand Vol said:
In the end, he still backed off. He pushed him (not a violent shove BTW) and was well away from the "victim" in this instance.

Presenting the firearm is one thing. But shooting him when he wasn't presenting a threat? SYG laws to the side, you and I both know this flies in the face of every self defense class taught out there.

Maybe not murder as legalities go, but surely manslaughter. Regardless, the guy needs to be locked up especially if he has a history of such encounters.
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I agree. Yes, he got shoved to the ground, but the guy was backing away once the gun was pulled. That should have been it. Also, with this guy's history, I definitely see manslaughter coming his way.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
After watching it a second time I think simply pulling the gun out was enough as the dude appears to turn and start to back off....this is the only thing that bugs me at all about the shooting.
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Watched video a half dozen times. The shooter was 5-6 feet back from the car, he appeared to keep his distance per se, but he did wave his hand at her. What did he say.
?..the lady got out. What did she say or do? Then the guy comes out of store and pretty violently shoves the man down. When the guy stood over the man what did he say or do? Watch the guys hands and his pockets. When guy sees gun he moves back and looks like man shoots a second later...nonetheless, this is a sad situation.
 
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Look at our board. Being all objective and grown up. Finding agreement on a white guy in the wrong for killing a black man. Calling into question his temperament to even have a CCW.

What's wrong with us???
 
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MercyPercy said:
Anyone who flashes their concealed weapon on a regular basis to intimidate folks in public doesn't need to be carrying.
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It's against the law in Florida. Open Cary is not permitted even with a CCP. You can only open carry under very defind circumstances, like to and from a range.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I agree he backed off. Which is making me change my opinion after rewatching. But “wasn’t a violent shove”? I think you’re 100% off base on that
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It does lead to questions unanswered.

What was the shooter saying to the woman in the car? She got out for a reason after a (somewhat) extended conversation in the car. Other than the guy being a dickbag over her parking there (notice he wasn't in a parking spot either) what transpired to get her out of the car?

Did the victim (yeah, he's a victim) overhear something that caused that reaction? If a man told my significant other he was going to beat the crap out of her for parking in a handicapped spot, I'd surely take issue with it. Probably not to the physical level, but you'd bet I'm getting between him and my family.

Did the victim say anything else after backing off? "I'm going to eff you up" could be perceived as a threat even if he wasn't moving.

This guy (seems to be a recurring theme these days) was on the radar with possibly violent encounters before. It seems rather odd the Sheriff dismisses his previous encounters as "not being relevant." Sure seems relevant now.

He blindsided him and I'm not going to call that one a "violent" anything. It's not like he ran into him. He walked up and shoved him. No punches, no kicks, no running start. Just a shove from a standing position.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I think it’s kinda trashy when non handicapped people take spaces from handicapped people.
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I've seen people park in a handicap spot and jump out and run into whatever establishment they're at. It was obvious they were using a sticker that was intended for someone else.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've seen people park in a handicap spot and jump out and run into whatever establishment they're at. It was obvious they were using a sticker that was intended for someone else.
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Precisely why I always fake an exaggerated limp when I do it.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This whole situation is tragic and pathetic at the same time. Much like your first comment about overweight people.
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He wasn't saying anything that wasn't true. America is bursting at the seams with gluttonous fat bodies.
 
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McDad said:
Look at our board. Being all objective and grown up. Finding agreement on a white guy in the wrong for killing a black man. Calling into question his temperament to even have a CCW.

What's wrong with us???
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If we can just get LG to stop zeroing in on the NRA, we'll be set.

And keep Ras from going off on a cop rant.

DTH from going all An-Cap.

You from making a bad, ill timed pun.

Keep our resident racists out of this (it's not anywhere near the Trevon Martin situation)

We should be good.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I agree he backed off. Which is making me change my opinion after rewatching. But “wasn’t a violent shove”? I think you’re 100% off base on that
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If you look up "violent shove" in the dictionary, that is the one listed.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I think it’s kinda trashy when non handicapped people take spaces from handicapped people.
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I broke my leg skiing a few year ago and was on crutches for six months. I'd never noticed how pervasive it was before that, let me tell you - it happens ALL the time and it's infuriating for the people that genuinely need it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It does lead to questions unanswered.

What was the shooter saying to the woman in the car? She got out for a reason after a (somewhat) extended conversation in the car. Other than the guy being a dickbag over her parking there (notice he wasn't in a parking spot either) what transpired to get her out of the car?

Did the victim (yeah, he's a victim) overhear something that caused that reaction? If a man told my significant other he was going to beat the crap out of her for parking in a handicapped spot, I'd surely take issue with it. Probably not to the physical level, but you'd bet I'm getting between him and my family.

Did the victim say anything else after backing off? "I'm going to eff you up" could be perceived as a threat even if he wasn't moving.

This guy (seems to be a recurring theme these days) was on the radar with possibly violent encounters before. It seems rather odd the Sheriff dismisses his previous encounters as "not being relevant." Sure seems relevant now.

He blindsided him and I'm not going to call that one a "violent" anything. It's not like he ran into him. He walked up and shoved him. No punches, no kicks, no running start. Just a shove from a standing position.
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Did victim reach at/in pockets after he shoved him down?
 
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