We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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There seems to be this misconception that SYG is some kind of "get out of jail free" card. In a similar fashion that just pleading "not guilty" doesn't mean you won't be found guilty just saying "I was standing my ground" (or any aspect of self-defense for that matter) is going to hold up.

As an example remember the theatre popcorn shooting incident? The judge denied SYG protection. It's too early to say much in this latest case but it would not shock me if this came under greater legal scrutiny after review.

I'm genuinely curious about the validity of claims this guy had previously been cited of being guilty of brandishing (improper exhibition in FL I believe) since if true that's actually a crime itself and should absolutely preclude him retaining a valid permit.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Been watching the coverage of this, and something not discussed is the burden of proof on a SYG defense.

The law was changed last year, with the backing of the NRA but over objections of prosecutors and many in law enforcement. Now, if a defendant claims it, the burden is on the state to show by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant is not entitled to the defense.

The concern of the opponents was exactly what happened here. Even if this was wrong, the state would have had an almost impossible time overcoming the defense. As long as its debatable, it's tough for a charge to even be made in the first place.

Here, though the shooter is arguing with the girlfriend, the first physical act of aggression is by the boyfriend shoving the guy. Given that it is at least debatable, the facts do not clearly and convincingly show the defense does not apply.
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How similar is this to the Micheal Dunn case where he shot a teenager over some loud music?
 
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Obsessed said:
You blind side me and knock me to ground, I’m bringing my heat. I have no idea what you and buddies have have planned.
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"You act all crazy yelling at my GF, i'm going to come in hot. I have no idea what you have planned."

They're both guilty of escalating the situation. Dude is going to jail.
 
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hndog609 said:
There seems to be this misconception that SYG is some kind of "get out of jail free" card. In a similar fashion that just pleading "not guilty" doesn't mean you won't be found guilty just saying "I was standing my ground" (or any aspect of self-defense for that matter) is going to hold up.

As an example remember the theatre popcorn shooting incident? The judge denied SYG protection. It's too early to say much in this latest case but it would not shock me if this came under greater legal scrutiny after review.

I'm genuinely curious about the validity of claims this guy had previously been cited of being guilty of brandishing (improper exhibition in FL I believe) since if true that's actually a crime itself and should absolutely preclude him retaining a valid permit.
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People like this are the ones that make it harder for other gun owners. You don't want anymore restrictions on the 2A then there are right now, but then you get this yahoo that ruins it.
 
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I wonder if the shooter (Drejka) would have confronted the driver (Jacobs) about parking in a handicapped spot if her boyfriend (McGlockton) had been in the car with her at the time? Having done this before, Drejka looks like a bully and SYG is like his legal shield from those who stand up to him.
 
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I learned my lesson about 10 years ago. Long story short, 2 dudes pulled out in front of me after leaving a comedy club in not the best neighborhood. Brakes slammed, laid on my horn, glares when I passed them. They followed me, riding my bumper. Next thing I know, 2 pops and my mirror is blown out. It's just not worth it. Stay in your lane and don't be a statistic. There's a lot of crazy people out there.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't believe that the illegal parking caused the shooting. I think it had more to do with the assault. If it was the illegal parking, he would have shot the woman.
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I disagree. The shooter started the altercation when he decided to verbally assault the woman in the car. He's not a LEO so it's none of his business where they were parked. If it offended him so much, call the police and report it and let them deal with it. I don't fault the deceased for standing up for his woman. Truthfully, put in the same position, I'd probably do the same. IMO, SYG laws should be for people who find themselves in situations not of their making with their lives in danger. This guy clearly created the situation that led to him murdering someone. Furthermore, I don't believe in allowing a carry permit to be a license to kill. I'm not anti-gun, but I am pro responsible gun ownership and I don't think the shooter acted in any kind of responsible way. His ass should have been arrested and charged.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's just it. The defense doesn't have to prove it. The state must affirmatively disprove it.

When this was getting debated, the NRA was THE major backer. State prosecutors were dead against it for fear they'd be hamstrung in even getting cases to a jury. The NRA went after them, ran ads.

And they are almost all conservative Republicans and almost all were in the NRA. It got ugly.
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So if I ever want to kill someone, Florida is the best place to do it.
 
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Shooting was justified. The girlfriend exited the car as her boyfriend was approaching. when the BF shoved the shooter to the ground it was one vs two,he had no choice. Had she stayed in the car I would say it was unjustified, but she didn't. She was ready to help BF pummel the old dude.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Ah the good old days, when dueling was legal and you could murder someone in the street. Or take the family to a lynching. And beat your wife with the appropriate sized rod.

Religion has nothing to do with it. A busybody that should have minded his own damn business murdered a guy in broad daylight. He'll do it again if all it takes is parking illegally to set him off.

Best to avoid all public confrontation in our political climate; stands a good chance you'll get shot by some POS with a gun.
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Sundays really haven't been the same without the post church service public square hangin's.
 
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Roustabout said:
So, what exactly are you referencing?
Perhaps it was when the colonists decided to violently overthrow the British empire for.................. taxes.
Jesus said rend unto Caesar. F that ****, give me liberty or give me death.
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You're an atheist.... we get it
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The parking situation set everything in motion. If this piece of trash would have minded his own damn business like a normal person, he wouldn't have blood on his hands.

Is your immediate reaction to a fight to murder someone? The victim should not have thrown dude on the ground, but I think putting a bullet in his chest is an extreme overreaction.

Also, if someone was threatening/harassing your SO, would you not intervene in some way? Especially with your kids around? Or stand there and let this POS intimidate and eventually attack your SO and kids?

I hope the guy gets arrested and tried for murder. He won't though. And he'll kill somebody else eventually.
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While I don't disagree with the overall message here..... I think it's fair to add that the individual parking in a handicapped space is also worthy of being called a piece of trash.
Anyone that has a handicapped family member or friend knows this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And likewise, this white guy, knowing he was packing, felt like he had the courage to confront total strangers over a parking space.

If you come away from this only pointing the finger at one individual, then you are clueless.
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I agree that both are to blame and when I first saw the video I thought I'd have a hard time deciding whether or not that shooting was a legitimate stand your ground type situation. I think simply pulling the gun out may have been enough of a deterrent and ended it..... but maybe not who knows.
While it disgusts me when I see people parking in a handicapped spot that don't need to, I'm not going to screw up my own day by instigating an altercation. It's not worth my time.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And likewise, this white guy, knowing he was packing, felt like he had the courage to confront total strangers over a parking space.

If you come away from this only pointing the finger at one individual, then you are clueless.
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Exactly correct.
 
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TennTom said:
I learned my lesson about 10 years ago. Long story short, 2 dudes pulled out in front of me after leaving a comedy club in not the best neighborhood. Brakes slammed, laid on my horn, glares when I passed them. They followed me, riding my bumper. Next thing I know, 2 pops and my mirror is blown out. It's just not worth it. Stay in your lane and don't be a statistic. There's a lot of crazy people out there.
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And yet you still vote democrat after being a victim of democrat on democrat violence. Interesting.
 
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Stand your ground isn’t the issue. Self defense is a natural right. The issue is with people being dumb enough to believe you can attack another person and that they have no right to defend themselves. Don’t attack people and they won’t shoot you.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Stand your ground isn’t the issue. Self defense is a natural right. The issue is with people being dumb enough to believe you can attack another person and that they have no right to defend themselves. Don’t attack people and they won’t shoot you.
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Also true...
 
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Vol8188 said:
Stand your ground isn’t the issue. Self defense is a natural right. The issue is with people being dumb enough to believe you can attack another person and that they have no right to defend themselves. Don’t attack people and they won’t shoot you.
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Yup.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
While I don't disagree with the overall message here..... I think it's fair to add that the individual parking in a handicapped space is also worthy of being called a piece of trash.
Anyone that has a handicapped family member or friend knows this.
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I agree, it is extremely rude behavior. I just don't think it is worth the altercation. Nor is it citizen Johnny's business.
 
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Anybody seen the dude getting slapped and choked picking up Tacos? That dude needed SYG. I can't find the video.
 
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TennTom said:
I learned my lesson about 10 years ago. Long story short, 2 dudes pulled out in front of me after leaving a comedy club in not the best neighborhood. Brakes slammed, laid on my horn, glares when I passed them. They followed me, riding my bumper. Next thing I know, 2 pops and my mirror is blown out. It's just not worth it. Stay in your lane and don't be a statistic. There's a lot of crazy people out there.
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Never never ever put a political bumper sticker on your vehicle.
 
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