CJP: Fall QB Decision To Be "Quick"

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BisonVol said:
It is JG's job to lose. JG needs to take the job. If Chryst wins the job, JG likely leaves. If JG leaves, you'll have Shrout, Maurer, another true freshman, and maybe McBride (if he doesn't transfer) as your only scholarship quarterbacks for 2019. You're banking on a quarterback with no snaps helping lead you to a step up in year 2. JG has time to continue to grow and develop whereas Chryst is only here for one season and can't help you down the road because he's only here for one season. For those two reasons, you go with JG as long as Chryst isn't far and away the better quarterback, which he isn't based off of what I've seen of him.
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Exactly right
 
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McBride throws into double and triple coverage far too often. JG seems less prone to make dumb passes. That is quite important in coaches eyes.

If I am not mistaken, Chryst had trouble with turnovers at Stanford...but maybe I am wrong about that.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I disagree with this. Pruitt said good things about McBride. Do I think that means anything? No, I don't. But if McBride does transfer, whatever school he goes to will have a great QB who will end up putting up some big numbers.
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Carson Newman needs a qb.
 
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KBVol said:
You cite McBride’s lack of experience, but JG had no game experience either, redshirt freshman or not. So that distinction means very little to nothing. Yet, JG performed much better.....better completion %, better yards per attempt, better td/int ratio, better qb rating.

Additionally, both players played a half of football vs Southern Mississippi....McBride was 1-8 for 13 yards, JG 9-13 for 102 yards

JG took Tennessee down the field throwing the ball in what should’ve been a game winning drive (16 yards to Callaway, 39 to Johnson, 8 to Callaway, 9 to Callaway) had Brandon Johnson caught his perfectly thrown pass to Johnson in the end zone on the last play of the game.

JG was very good vs LSU, the #21 pass defense in the country....13-23, 239 yards, td, no ints

JG was very good vs Kentucky and did more than enough to win the game....finished 18-23, 242 yards. Had UT up 26-21 late in the game, drove em down a couple of possessions later to the 25, but Cimaglia missed a field goal that would’ve put em up by 8....defense collapsed late and JG Hail Mary came up 2 yards short of winning the game

So again, what did McBride do? 1-8 vs LSU, 16-32, less than 4.5 yards per attempt and 3 turnovers in a 50-17 drubbing at Missouri. As far as McBride’s rushing totals, 18 for 70 yards.....43 of those came on one run where he went untouched until he was touched and went down. 1 rush for 43 yards, his other 17 carries netted him 27 yards....not exactly Josh Dobbs either.

Finally, you’re dead on right about JG holding the ball too long and too often. He took way too many sacks...27 in 9 games iirc, hence, the poor rushing totals. But take out the sack yardage and he ran 25 times for 117 yards. McBride struggled badly with taking sacks as well....was sacked 5 times in his only start, so where was the difference?

In the end, I think we’re about to see that Pruitt and Helton would tend to agree with me here. We’re gonna see JG be in a qb battle with Chryst and the likely starter vs WVa, while McBride will be buried in the depth chart, struggling to be the 3rd string qb ahead of true freshman Shrout.
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Great post. 👍💯
 
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norrislakevol said:
McBride throws into double and triple coverage far too often. JG seems less prone to make dumb passes. That is quite important in coaches eyes.

If I am not mistaken, Chryst had trouble with turnovers at Stanford...but maybe I am wrong about that.
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Uh heads up JG was 4 TDs / 2 INTs

That's 50%.....(Botched this math) 🤣

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What I was getting at is that 2/1 Ratio is not that good over 9 games.

McBride was 1/2 over 3 games and only started one of those games.

So to say JG makes less dumb passes just isn't true.
 
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JacketVol said:
But he’s right. This time.
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It’s an opinion...every time. I don’t disagree with it but you write 8 paragraphs to counter 1 start for a true freshman 3 star QB who had to play in the middle of the season.
 
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KBVol said:
Gotta make a determination as soon as you see a player separate and you think he’s the guy. Obviously, our previous coach’s strategy of naming a starter at the 11th hour didn’t work. I like Pruitt’s approach.....let em compete until you’re confident you’ve got your guy and let him begin to take the overwhelmingly majority of snaps to get rhythm, cohesion, timing as good and sharp as possible as you switch from position competitions in fall camp to game install vs WVa. Jmo.
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Ok, so how does he know that’s going to happen?
 
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I think some people are misconstruing his comments. I got the impression when I saw him say that on video, he wanted to narrow the competition from 4 to 3 and 2 quickly. Not end the competition entirely that quickly.

I could be wrong. Regardless, I am extremely confident he won't officially announce a starter until less than a week before WV. Even if one guy is getting the bulk of 1st team reps. No reason to give them that information.
 
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Chryst is a backup plan just in case JG gets injured since Dormady decided to transfer. If the season were left in the hands of the other 2 QBs then we would most definitely have a lost season.
 
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Roustabout said:
Quick,
The performance of a player can really change throughout camp. Shouldn’t it be based on who FINISHES camp as the best prepared and performing QB?
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There's only so many 1st team reps to go around, especially now that two a days have been taken away. You need to zero in on who your starter is so they can get maximum time with the 1's to develop timing/chemistry, etc.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Chryst is a backup plan just in case JG gets injured since Dormady decided to transfer. If the season were left in the hands of the other 2 QBs then we would most definitely have a lost season.
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Dormady transferred before the spring.
Chryst didn't "commit" till after.

JG has more arm talent, but McBride is a lot better than people think.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Uh heads up JG was 4 TDs / 2 INTs

That's 50%.....(Botched this math) 🤣

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What I was getting at is that 2/1 Ratio is not that good over 9 games.

McBride was 1/2 over 3 games and only started one of those games.

So to say JG makes less dumb passes just isn't true.
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I just know what I saw. Granted, McBride was a true freshman, but but he made some ill advised passes that JG would have never even attempted. JG is the future. He just needs a little better pass protection is all.

One thing that I am hoping for is for all our QB's not to telegraph their passes as much this year. That drove me nuts under the Butch era.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I just know what I saw. Granted, McBride was a true freshman, but but he made some ill advised passes that JG would have never even attempted. JG is the future. He just needs a little better pass protection is all.

One thing that I am hoping for is for all our QB's not to telegraph their passes as much this year. That drove me nuts under the Butch era.
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Ive stated it before that all our QBs have a chance to start. Shrout maybe the least out of them just due to the fact that he is coming straight from High School and has to learn the playbook.

However, people are trying to say McBride can't contend with JG, and that isn't true. He can and he has shown he has the throwing ability and the ability to make quick decisions.

People are basing his accuracy off of three games where he only started in one game as a True Freshman thrown into the fray with an obliterated O-Line.

JG had 9 games as a Redshirt Freshman to prove that he should be the starter and I didn't see it. Do I think he has the ability? Of course I do.

All our QBs were terrible last year and had bad coaching.

This year will be different and my statements are based on the fact that people are just blatently discounting McBride without giving him a chance, just like they are Shrout or Chryst.

Anyways off my soapbox. Our coaches will put the guy who will win games this year in the starting spot.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Don’t you think Helton would’ve known what they were getting when asking him to come on as a grad transfer? I’m not saying he should win the job, but they had a pretty good idea of what they were getting after scouting him and being in the same conference.
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Let's hope that only throwing 70 yards when you need to air it out will get you put on the bench regardless of which one wins the job initially. Hopefully the winner with be able to throw it on a rope to an open target and not look like we have the worst QB's in the league again.
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
There is no way that JG starts the first game. KC wasn't signed to play back-up. And McBride was as effective as JG last year, which isn't saying anything.
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Probably the smartest thing you've said on here. I do think JG is the leader but no way do they feel comfortable with a guy that made the endzone into the Loc Ness monster for several weeks of the season.
 
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BisonVol said:
It is JG's job to lose. JG needs to take the job. If Chryst wins the job, JG likely leaves. If JG leaves, you'll have Shrout, Maurer, another true freshman, and maybe McBride (if he doesn't transfer) as your only scholarship quarterbacks for 2019. You're banking on a quarterback with no snaps helping lead you to a step up in year 2. JG has time to continue to grow and develop whereas Chryst is only here for one season and can't help you down the road because he's only here for one season. For those two reasons, you go with JG as long as Chryst isn't far and away the better quarterback, which he isn't based off of what I've seen of him.
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Let me just say it like this because I am only a fan with an opinion. May the best man wins...whoever that may be. It will be a nice story either way and since JG has been at UT longer I hope he positions himself nicely.

Having said that I do have some concerns about his lack of feel for the pocket and I didn't see a deadly accurate arm when he did throw it. I'm not saying Chryst is better but we are very lucky to have him. If he beats out JG, and JG whines again and want to transfer because a 5th year senior from a Power 5 Conference leader then adios.
 
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