CJP: Fall QB Decision To Be "Quick"

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Grudenhaslanded said:
There is no way that JG starts the first game. KC wasn't signed to play back-up. And McBride was as effective as JG last year, which isn't saying anything.
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KC was brought in to help add to the QB depth and create more competition. If he emerges as the QB that gives us the best chance to win, great. If not and it's JG, fine too. However you saying that KC is a slam dunk to be the starter against WV is being a tad presumptuous.
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
There is no way that JG starts the first game. KC wasn't signed to play back-up. And McBride was as effective as JG last year, which isn't saying anything.
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1. In no way, shape, form or fashion was “McBride just as effective as JG last year.” No way, no how.

2. If Chryst was a stud, or if we were getting transfer Shea Patterson, I’d be with you that JG very likely, almost 100% certain wouldn’t be the opening game starter. However, that ain’t who we’re getting. We’re a 54% career passer in an offensive system that relied on Heisman trophy level/type running backs to be the focal point of the offense. We’re getting a guy who’s been beaten out of his job a couple times.

3. So, imho, we all need to slow our roll in assuming Chryst is the no questions asked starter this year. And it sure as hell ain’t gonna be Wil McBride, who’ll struggle to be our 3rd string qb.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Chryst going to start..If JG was ur starter dont u think he would have been at media day
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Let’s use your logic the other way. If Chryst was ur starter dont u think he would have been at media day

The answer to both....they’re competing for the spot, there is no clear cut starter right now, neither has won the job since they competition in fall camp is 2 weeks away from starting. That’s why neither went to SEC Media Days.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
I agree that when McBride transfers he'll most likely be successful, with one caveat: As long as it's FCS or D2. That kid is nowhere near being a D1 QB. I appreciate him burning his shirt and stepping up, but he just doesn't have it for SEC level ball.

On Pruitt's comments, yes it could mean he loves him some Gitmo and wants him to be the guy, or it also could mean he's seen enough to know he's NOT the guy and is planning to sink or swim with Chryst. And recent history suggests a really good true freshman QB can be successful, just look at UGA & Bama. So it's possible CJP is leaning toward starting his year zero with a true freshman and see what happens. I still think he'd technically start an older player the first game, but get the freshman in early and see what goes.
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He’ll need his RS when he transfers. Or, he can apply and get it back just like Tatum did
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
McBride I think was actually more effective then JG last year. He showed he could make decisions and wasn't afraid to get rid of the ball.

Did that bite him yes it did. But he made some good throws in there too as a "True Freshman" which shouldn't of had to happen.
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In what possible, conceivable way was McBride more effective than JG last year?

During his 1-8 for 13 yard second half performance vs Southern Miss? (JG was 9-13 for 102 yards in the first half before getting injured).

Or during McBride’s 16-32, 139 yards, 2 interceptions and a lost fumble vs one of the very worst pass defenses in the country in a 50-17 loss at Missouri?
 
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Quick,
The performance of a player can really change throughout camp. Shouldn’t it be based on who FINISHES camp as the best prepared and performing QB?
 
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Roustabout said:
Quick,
The performance of a player can really change throughout camp. Shouldn’t it be based on who FINISHES camp as the best prepared and performing QB?
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Gotta make a determination as soon as you see a player separate and you think he’s the guy. Obviously, our previous coach’s strategy of naming a starter at the 11th hour didn’t work. I like Pruitt’s approach.....let em compete until you’re confident you’ve got your guy and let him begin to take the overwhelmingly majority of snaps to get rhythm, cohesion, timing as good and sharp as possible as you switch from position competitions in fall camp to game install vs WVa. Jmo.
 
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KBVol said:
In what possible, conceivable way was McBride more effective than JG last year?

During his 1-8 for 13 yard second half performance vs Southern Miss? (JG was 9-13 for 102 yards in the first half before getting injured).

Or during McBride’s 16-32, 139 yards, 2 interceptions and a lost fumble vs one of the very worst pass defenses in the country in a 50-17 loss at Missouri?
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You’re waaaay too invested in this. :)
 
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Just as easily as someone could say it's gonna be a quick decision because its Guarantano the same could be said because it's Chryst.

They could say they already saw Guarantano last year and Helton already knew that he liked Chryst better.
 
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SweetDaddy said:
Just as easily as someone could say it's gonna be a quick decision because its Guarantano the same could be said because it's Chryst.

They could say they already saw Guarantano last year and Helton already knew that he liked Chryst better.
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We can all hope Pruitt is a better coach than that.
 
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KBVol said:
In what possible, conceivable way was McBride more effective than JG last year?

During his 1-8 for 13 yard second half performance vs Southern Miss? (JG was 9-13 for 102 yards in the first half before getting injured).

Or during McBride’s 16-32, 139 yards, 2 interceptions and a lost fumble vs one of the very worst pass defenses in the country in a 50-17 loss at Missouri?
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McBride had 17 Comp on 40 Attempts for 152 yds and 1 touchdown on 2 interceptions. (Mind you this is after Tennessee's Offensive Line was destroyed) This was only in 3 games.

However, he also had 18 rushing attempts for 70yds. (He was thrown to the wolves as a "True Freshman") He came in to play because Dormandy and JG were hurt and he did not have any business being out there with no experience.

What he did show was the ability to make decisions and when the pocket closed on him to get out of it for yardage hence the 18 carries for 70yds.


Now let's go to JG. JGs stats are as follows:

86 Completions on 139 Attempts for 997yds with 4 TDs and 2 Interceptions in 9 Games. (He played in 9 Games and only threw 4 TDs....) He was not a True Freshman he was a Redshirt Freshman.

He held the ball to long and did not make good decisions.

Also, his rushing stats are as follows:

66 rushing attempts for -39 yards. With 1 touchdown. (This shows his inability to make decisions and escape the pocket)

In conclusion I do think McBride was the better Quarterback because he had natural instincts that JG did not have. Something that wasn't taught, something he just has.

So that's my opinion and I'll stick to it.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
McBride had 17 Comp on 40 Attempts for 152 yds and 1 touchdown on 2 interceptions. (Mind you this is after Tennessee's Offensive Line was destroyed) This was only in 3 games.

However, he also had 18 rushing attempts for 70yds. (He was thrown to the wolves as a "True Freshman") He came in to play because Dormandy and JG were hurt and he did not have any business being out there with no experience.

What he did show was the ability to make decisions and when the pocket closed on him to get out of it for yardage hence the 18 carries for 70yds.


Now let's go to JG. JGs stats are as follows:

86 Completions on 139 Attempts for 997yds with 4 TDs and 2 Interceptions in 9 Games. (He played in 9 Games and only threw 4 TDs....) He was not a True Freshman he was a Redshirt Freshman.

He held the ball to long and did not make good decisions.

Also, his rushing stats are as follows:

66 rushing attempts for -39 yards. With 1 touchdown. (This shows his inability to make decisions and escape the pocket)

In conclusion I do think McBride was the better Quarterback because he had natural instincts that JG did not have. Something that wasn't taught, something he just has.

So that's my opinion and I'll stick to it.
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You cite McBride’s lack of experience, but JG had no game experience either, redshirt freshman or not. So that distinction means very little to nothing. Yet, JG performed much better.....better completion %, better yards per attempt, better td/int ratio, better qb rating.

Additionally, both players played a half of football vs Southern Mississippi....McBride was 1-8 for 13 yards, JG 9-13 for 102 yards

JG took Tennessee down the field throwing the ball in what should’ve been a game winning drive (16 yards to Callaway, 39 to Johnson, 8 to Callaway, 9 to Callaway) had Brandon Johnson caught his perfectly thrown pass to Johnson in the end zone on the last play of the game.

JG was very good vs LSU, the #21 pass defense in the country....13-23, 239 yards, td, no ints

JG was very good vs Kentucky and did more than enough to win the game....finished 18-23, 242 yards. Had UT up 26-21 late in the game, drove em down a couple of possessions later to the 25, but Cimaglia missed a field goal that would’ve put em up by 8....defense collapsed late and JG Hail Mary came up 2 yards short of winning the game

So again, what did McBride do? 1-8 vs LSU, 16-32, less than 4.5 yards per attempt and 3 turnovers in a 50-17 drubbing at Missouri. As far as McBride’s rushing totals, 18 for 70 yards.....43 of those came on one run where he went untouched until he was touched and went down. 1 rush for 43 yards, his other 17 carries netted him 27 yards....not exactly Josh Dobbs either.

Finally, you’re dead on right about JG holding the ball too long and too often. He took way too many sacks...27 in 9 games iirc, hence, the poor rushing totals. But take out the sack yardage and he ran 25 times for 117 yards. McBride struggled badly with taking sacks as well....was sacked 5 times in his only start, so where was the difference?

In the end, I think we’re about to see that Pruitt and Helton would tend to agree with me here. We’re gonna see JG be in a qb battle with Chryst and the likely starter vs WVa, while McBride will be buried in the depth chart, struggling to be the 3rd string qb ahead of true freshman Shrout.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
McBride had 17 Comp on 40 Attempts for 152 yds and 1 touchdown on 2 interceptions. (Mind you this is after Tennessee's Offensive Line was destroyed) This was only in 3 games.

However, he also had 18 rushing attempts for 70yds. (He was thrown to the wolves as a "True Freshman") He came in to play because Dormandy and JG were hurt and he did not have any business being out there with no experience.

What he did show was the ability to make decisions and when the pocket closed on him to get out of it for yardage hence the 18 carries for 70yds.


Now let's go to JG. JGs stats are as follows:

86 Completions on 139 Attempts for 997yds with 4 TDs and 2 Interceptions in 9 Games. (He played in 9 Games and only threw 4 TDs....) He was not a True Freshman he was a Redshirt Freshman.

He held the ball to long and did not make good decisions.

Also, his rushing stats are as follows:

66 rushing attempts for -39 yards. With 1 touchdown. (This shows his inability to make decisions and escape the pocket)

In conclusion I do think McBride was the better Quarterback because he had natural instincts that JG did not have. Something that wasn't taught, something he just has.

So that's my opinion and I'll stick to it.
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So basically you think he’s better because he has better running stats. Take away the 42 rush yards he had on a zone read play and his 17 rushes for 28 yards isn’t all that impressive.

Quick decision making is nice and all, but it’s not worth much if those decisions result in turnovers.
 
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KBVol said:
You cite McBride’s lack of experience, but JG had to game experience either, redshirt freshman or not. So that distinction means very little to nothing. Yet, JG performed much better.....better composition %, better yards per attempt, better td/int ratio, better qb rating.

Additionally, both players played a half of football vs Southern Mississippi....McBride was 1-8 for 13 yards, JG 9-13 for 102 yards

JG took Tennessee down the field throwing the ball in what should’ve been a game winning drive (16 yards to Callaway, 39 to Johnson, 8 to Callaway, 9 to Callaway) had Brandon Johnson caught his perfectly thrown pass to Johnson in the end zone on the last play of the game.

JG was very good vs LSU, the #21 pass defense in the country....13-23, 239 yards, td, no ints

JG was very good vs Kentucky and did more than enough to win the game....finished 18-23, 242 yards. Had UT up 26-21 late in the game, drove em down a couple of possessions later to the 25, but Cimaglia missed a field goal that would’ve put em up by 8....defense collapsed late and JG Hail Mary came up 2 yards short of winning the game

So again, what did McBride do? 1-8 vs LSU, 16-32, less than 4.5 yards per attempt and 3 turnovers in a 50-17 drubbing at Missouri. As far as McBride’s rushing totals, 18 for 70 yards.....43 of those came on one run where he went untouched until he was touched and went down. 1 rush for 43 yards, his other 17 carries netted him 27 yards....not exactly Josh Dobbs either.

Finally, you’re dead on right about JG holding the ball too long and too often. He took way too many sacks...27 in 9 games iirc, hence, the poor rushing totals. But take out the sack yardage and he ran 25 times for 117 yards. McBride struggled badly with taking sacks as well....was sacked 5 times in his only start, so where was the difference?

In the end, I think we’re about to see that Pruitt and Helton would tend to agree with me here. We’re gonna see JG be in a qb battle with Chryst and the likely starter vs WVa, while McBride will be buried in the depth chart, struggling to be the 3rd string qb ahead of true freshman Shrout.
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Could possibly be right. McBride showed better instincts and a QB with better instincts has a higher upside. That being said, I don't think either one starts.

I think Chryst with his NFL sized frame and prior college experience will start.

I also think JT Shrout will start next year. That's also my opinion.

Either way this coaching staff will do what is best for this team no matter the QB.
 
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It is JG's job to lose. JG needs to take the job. If Chryst wins the job, JG likely leaves. If JG leaves, you'll have Shrout, Maurer, another true freshman, and maybe McBride (if he doesn't transfer) as your only scholarship quarterbacks for 2019. You're banking on a quarterback with no snaps helping lead you to a step up in year 2. JG has time to continue to grow and develop whereas Chryst is only here for one season and can't help you down the road because he's only here for one season. For those two reasons, you go with JG as long as Chryst isn't far and away the better quarterback, which he isn't based off of what I've seen of him.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Could possibly be right. McBride showed better instincts and a QB with better instincts has a higher upside. That being said, I don't think either one starts.

I think Chryst with his NFL sized frame and prior college experience will start.

I also think JT Shrout will start next year. That's also my opinion.

Either way this coaching staff will do what is best for this team no matter the QB.
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If high upside is determined by instincts alone, we all would've been talking about how Rick Clausen had high upside. RC had good instincts but having good instincts didn't make up for his noodle arm. I agree instincts are important, but typically QB's that are viewed as having high upside have good size and good arm talent.

McBride is a good athlete who is undersized and has average arm talent, and I personally didn't see his instincts as being any better than JG's last season. I commend him for taking one for the team last season and think he can be an effective QB in the right offense and at a mid major or FCS school, but he's not the kind of QB this staff is looking for. Helton wants a guy that can drop back and drive the ball down the field, something McBride doesn't excel at. Pruitt isn't going to come out and say it, but JG and Chryst are the ones competing for the job and it is JG's to lose.
 
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BisonVol said:
If high upside is determined by instincts alone, we all would've been talking about how Rick Clausen had high upside. RC had good instincts but having good instincts didn't make up for his noodle arm. I agree instincts are important, but typically QB's that are viewed as having high upside have good size and good arm talent.

McBride is a good athlete who is undersized and has average arm talent, and I personally didn't see his instincts as being any better than JG's last season. I commend him for taking one for the team last season and think he can be an effective QB in the right offense and at a mid major or FCS school, but he's not the kind of QB this staff is looking for. Helton wants a guy that can drop back and drive the ball down the field, something McBride doesn't excel at. Pruitt isn't going to come out and say it, but JG and Chryst are the ones competing for the job and it is JG's to lose.
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I agree with most of your comments. McBride has a live arm. He showed that on his first play in the Orange and White game when he over threw his receiver on a deep route. Again, either way the coaches are going to pick the best guy. It'll be exciting.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Could possibly be right. McBride showed better instincts and a QB with better instincts has a higher upside. That being said, I don't think either one starts.

I think Chryst with his NFL sized frame and prior college experience will start.

I also think JT Shrout will start next year. That's also my opinion.

Either way this coaching staff will do what is best for this team no matter the QB.
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You must be related to McBride.
 
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