Why isn't the board in full melt down?

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LouderVol said:
at 7:00 am on a Monday? I hadn't even had my first beer of the day.

and the mentality of actually looking up what was said and bringing actual talking points and information to the board?
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I probably should have linked something, but it was all over the radio news breaks on my way to work.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So now that we've established people here know Trump has begun his foreign policy apology tour, how do they feel about it?
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also, lets say it is an apology tour, so Trump then sucks at least as much as Obama did. happy?

not sure what you are trying to win. they all suck, he is the worst president ever, etc etc. I have said it all before.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I probably should have linked something, but it was all over the radio news breaks on my way to work.
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unless I get really bored I don't even read up on this stuff until it is discussed here.

things are never as bad as they seem, nor as good.
 
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LouderVol said:
also, lets say it is an apology tour, so Trump then sucks at least as much as Obama did. happy?
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Yes, exactly, except I think OP's and my point is more about the VN response, not the presidential actions.

not sure what you are trying to win. they all suck, he is the worst president ever, etc etc. I have said it all before.
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You're not really on my radar here. I don't recall you being one of the people who freaked out about Obama doing this same thing.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Suicides..you know the ones where you shoot yourself multiple times..those are her bread and butter and make the Spetsnaz giddy.
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Multiple gun shot wounds along with several stab wounds, and a clean suicide note.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I assume he is mentioning the Moscow theater hostage thing back in 2002 that the Russians gassed and killed the terrorists and like 200 civilians?
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That could also be referring to MH17 which was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile fired by Russia’s 53rd anti-aircraft rocket brigade exactly 4 years ago tomorrow, killing 298 innocent civilians.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yes, exactly, except I think OP's and my point is more about the VN response, not the presidential actions.



You're not really on my radar here. I don't recall you being one of the people who freaked out about Obama doing this same thing.
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the VN response to this thread at 7 am Monday morning before anything was posted?
 
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LouderVol said:
the VN response to this thread at 7 am Monday morning before anything was posted?
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Is it still 7am there? Why are you living in the past? Here we are 7 hours later and not one person has owned up. I just want people to call Trump an embarrassment if they called Obama an embarrassment for the same thing. That's it. They deflected and then they disappeared.
 
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Obama made a pattern of apologizing for what he sees as America’s legacy - slavery, segregation, racism, class and gender exploitation. None of which is productive in the least. In fact it’s part of his legacy of stoking racial division.

Obama’s apology tour had more to do w himself than being constructive to our nations foreign relations. By taking easy targets to elevate himself as morally superior than the former leaders of the country. In Japan, apologizing for the atom bomb was in no way constructive to our relations w them, in fact Japanese leaders urged him not to. He did it in anyway. And the way he went about it completely ignorant of history was even worse. Like apologizing for American slavery in Turkey - the inheritor of centuries of brutal Ottoman colonization.

Trump has no such pattern. He’s been very clear that the red scare hysteria in the left is not productive. But in action, he has certainly not been apologetic. In fact the opposite.
 
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golfballs said:
Obama made a pattern of apologizing for what he sees as America’s legacy - slavery, segregation, racism, class and gender exploitation. None of which is productive in the least. In fact it’s part of his legacy of stoking racial division.

Obama’s apology tour had more to do w himself than being constructive to our nations foreign relations. By taking easy targets to elevate himself as morally superior than the former leaders of the country. In Japan, apologizing for the atom bomb was in no way constructive to our relations w them, in fact Japanese leaders urged him not to. He did it in anyway. And the way he went about it completely ignorant of history was even worse. Like apologizing for American slavery in Turkey - the inheritor of centuries of brutal Ottoman colonization.

Trump has no such pattern. He’s been very clear that the red scare hysteria in the left is not productive. But in action, he has certainly not been apologetic. In fact the opposite.
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You're ignoring most of his statement...

Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity
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Obama would have been crucified for the same statement on this board.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You're ignoring most of his statement...



Obama would have been crucified for the same statement on this board.
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I'll be the one to say that it was a completely stupid thing to say and Trump needs to start listing to people around him. But the Obama apology tour was pitiful too.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
I'll be the one to say that it was a completely stupid thing to say and Trump needs to start listing to people around him. But the Obama apology tour was pitiful too.
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Diplomacy is good, and Democrats shouting 'Treason!' whenever the president does something dumb is as obnoxious in the Trump years as it was when the Republicans did it during the Obama years... Unsurprisingly, the most reasonable response to the presser came from the reliably levelheaded Rep. Justin Amash who said, "A person can be in favor of improving relations with Russia, in favor of meeting with Putin, and still think something is not right here."
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Trump's Presser with Putin Was Disgraceful. But No, It's Not 'Treason' to Meet with Russia. - Hit & Run : Reason.com
 
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BartW said:
That could also be referring to MH17 which was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile fired by Russia’s 53rd anti-aircraft rocket brigade exactly 4 years ago tomorrow, killing 298 innocent civilians.
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Could be that as well. But before we all start pointing finger's pretty sure the USA smoked a civilian jet out of the sky before..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Could be that as well. But before we all start pointing finger's pretty sure the USA smoked a civilian jet out of the sky before..
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This is the same leader. Makes things a little different. However, if we are talking all time... Soviets have shot down more than one civilian commercial airliner.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So many years of failed US relations with Russia is now all Obama. This is an ill informed comment as many of the comments made by the far left regarding Trump.
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Seriously? He was President for 8 years and he was notoriously on the record as dismissive of the threat they posed. What did he do? The events which are now at the center of focus all happened under his watch.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Could be that as well. But before we all start pointing finger's pretty sure the USA smoked a civilian jet out of the sky before..
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True. And we also sort of tried to cover it up. In the spirit of this thread H.W. even said “I will never apologize for the United States — I don’t care what the facts are.”

Eventually, though, we did send our regrets and reparations. Does anyone foresee Putin accepting responsibility?

Yesterday G7 leaders demanded Russia account for its role in the downing of MH17. Does anyone think Trump will bring this up on his date with Putin? If Vlad categorically denies involvement, will Trump be the toughest on Russia ever (as he claims)? Or will he be apologizing for another witch hunt?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It seems the Trump blind defense bloc freaks out when anyone says anything about Trump. My opening post did not criticize Trump. I criticized the hypocritical partisan lack of a reaction from Trump supporters.

The hardcore Trump supporters have truly become the snowflakes they so openly mocked. The transformation has been fun to watch.
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Whatever happened today, it was going to be a **** show regardless of what Trump said or didn’t say. So with that in mind I just tried to take a play from Septic’s playbook (ok THE play) abd have fun with it.

But this dialog of “they interfered they interfered!” is worn out and needs to stop. It’s absurd. We should expect them to interfere. Plain and simple. It’s our responsibility to stop it. That’s all.

The only reason the left keeps coming to this worn out play time after time is it’s plank one on delegitimization of Trumps presidency. That’s my opinion anyway. First you sell they interfered and get that as being a major point of contention that is unique to this election (it isn’t. Or it shouldn’t be. It should be expected.) Then you sell a narrative on how the interference affected the outcome.

And Trump knows this and goes in attack mode on it. I don’t blame him. I’m not certain I wouldn’t do the same thing. Don’t yield plank one.

But he’s definitely doesn’t put his most gracious and magnanimous foot forward when in attack mode. That’s obvious.
 
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