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Grand Vol said:
Context | Definition of Context by Merriam-Webster

Context:



Which "context" I'm referring to would come under the first definition. Hence:



Trump doesn't provide context to his answers most of the time, but the times he does it shows a reasonable thought even though some might not agree with it.

Are you denying the EU is an economic foe?
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Hell, yes. It is an incredible thing for an American President to say.... but Russia is just a "competitor", right?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Hell, yes. It is an incredible thing for an American President to say.... but Russia is just a "competitor", right?
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Did I see him call them a competitor or a foe?

Oh wait, never mind...

Russia is foe in certain respects.
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I can't believe you admitted in public how ignorant you are of who and what we do trade with. I'll be the first to admit I'm not as up to speed on the international economic level of things, but dang, I'm not that ignorant.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Did I see him call them a competitor or a foe?

Oh wait, never mind...



I can't believe you admitted in public how ignorant you are of who and what we do trade with. I'll be the first to admit I'm not as up to speed on the international economic level of things, but dang, I'm not that ignorant.
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Trump has been recently referring to Russia as a "competitor" and in no aspect is the E.U. a "foe". That just sounds like something that Putin would want him to say.

"Putin's Puppet" = Trump
 
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How was this missed?

Likely wasn't, just ignored...

Former DNC Chair Brazile: DNC Allowed Russian Hackers to Steal Data

Donna Brazile says in her new book the Democratic National Committee (DNC) went against professional advice and sat idly for a month while Russians stole data because primaries were still underway in a number of states.

In May, when CrowdStrike recommended that we take down our system and rebuild it, the DNC told them to wait a month, because the state primaries for the presidential election were still underway, and the party and the staff needed to be at their computers to manage these efforts,” Brazile wrote in her new book, “Hacks.”
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump has been recently referring to Russia as a "competitor" and in no aspect is the E.U. a "foe". That just sounds like something that Putin would want him to say.

"Putin's Puppet" = Trump
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I'm just going to take this as you trolling.

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Weezer said:
Either trolling or BB truly believes we should bend over and grab our ankles for the rest of the world.
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Trump will accept Putin's denial of Russian interference at face value tomorrow... That, is Trump bending over and allowing Putin to come in dry.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump will accept Putin's denial of Russian interference at face value tomorrow... That, is Trump bending over and allowing Putin to come in dry.
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When he puts a new round of sanctions on Russia. I expect to see you back in here explaining how these sanctions aren't enough because Trump is compromised right?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump will accept Putin's denial of Russian interference at face value tomorrow... That, is Trump bending over and allowing Putin to come in dry.
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Is Mueller willing to give him the evidence to confront Putin with? I mean, I'm at a loss as to what you expect him to do? Is he supposed to scream "liar!", then go all WWE on his ass? Is WW3 what you're looking for? What response would satisfy you?


Rhetorical question because I highly doubt anything he does will satisfy you.
 
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Weezer said:
Is Mueller willing to give him the evidence to confront Putin with? I mean, I'm at a loss as to what you expect him to do? Is he supposed to scream "liar!", then go all WWE on his ass? Is WW3 what you're looking for? What response would satisfy you?


Rhetorical question because I highly doubt anything he does will satisfy you.
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How about if Trump just voiced support for the United States intelligence community for once? He shouldn't ask Putin anything at this point. In my opinion, Trump should make a public statement tomorrow and simply say something like:

"It is my belief, based on the conclusions drawn by US intelligence agencies, that Russia engaged in inappropriate and illegal actions to meddle in the 2016 United States Presidential election. This is unacceptable. I have told President Putin that any such future actions will have consequences for Russia and could irreparably damage the ability of our two nations to have mutually beneficial diplomatic relations."

The time for asking Putin if Russia meddled is over. The time for hemming and hawing over the matter is over. Trump should make a public statement which unequivocally states that Russia meddled, once and for all. He should make it clear that this is unacceptable and can not happen again. That is what a strong leader would do. I will believe Trump does that when I see it. It would be a stark departure from any previous public statement that Trump has made on Russia's meddling into the 2016 election.
 
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GAVol said:
Here's a crazy idea... they did it because they tried other places and they found a way in in Illinois

I'd love to hear your explanation for them trying to hack Georgia. Think they were afraid the Democrats would win Agriculture Commissioner and stop exporting peanuts?
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Haha that was a good one, well played good sir!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How about if Trump just voiced support for the United States intelligence community for once? He shouldn't ask Putin anything at this point. In my opinion, Trump should make a public statement tomorrow and simply say something like:

"It is my belief, based on the conclusions drawn by US intelligence agencies, that Russia engaged in inappropriate and illegal actions to meddle in the 2016 United States Presidential election. This is unacceptable. I have told President Putin that any such future actions will have consequences for Russia and could irreparably damage the ability of our two nations to have mutually beneficial diplomatic relations."

The time for asking Putin if Russia meddled is over. The time for hemming and hawing over the matter is over. Trump should make a public statement which unequivocally states that Russia meddled, once and for all. He should make it clear that this is unacceptable and can not happen again. That is what a strong leader would do. I will believe Trump does that when I see it. It would be a stark departure from any previous public statement that Trump has made on Russia's meddling into the 2016 election.
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What if you are a Russian troll meant to sow discord disguised as an overly sensitive, paranoid middle aged woman? Disprove my conjecture, and you have yet to disavow such accusations
 
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landscapingvol said:
What if you are a Russian troll meant to sow discord disguised as an overly sensitive, paranoid middle aged woman? Disprove my conjecture, and you have yet to disavow such accusations
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What if you were capable of engaging in civil discussion with someone who disagrees with you, on the political forum of a college sports team's website, without resorting to the same boring, immature and petty insults that one might expect to see from a 12 year old?
 
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lawgator1 said:
None of them was the subject of intense inquiry as to linkage, financial relationships, possible blackmail, etc. None had campaign officials indicted for activities which at best made them subject to compromise. None fired the FBI director to try to head off investigation.

None has had the same concerns raised to the point political allies say there is clearly something nefarious going on.
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You think perhaps that their lack of "linkage, financial relationships, possible blackmail" maybe had something to do with being long term politicians who had done remarkably little in any business sense? See we can hold most occupations accountable for many things, and politicians accountable for a few, but we never hold politicians accountable for the graft, corruption, and bribery that make their political longevity possible.

That's the very thing about Trump that threatens DC - he got there without the bribery and potential blackmail associated with lobbying and campaign funding. It's a check they all hold over each other but not Trump, and that scares the crap out of them and all their cushy political appointees and strap hangers. If you want to get into real Russian corruption, start with Hiliary's uranium dealing. If you want to get into real bribery material, start with her emails that the Russians hold.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What if you were capable of engaging in civil discussion with someone who disagrees with you, on the political forum of a college sports team's website, without resorting to the same boring, immature and petty insults that one might expect to see from a 12 year old?
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You think your constantly repeating paranoid conjectures based on your version of reality is a discussion? A discussion would the sharing of facts and coming to some sort of conclusion. You continue to come to the same conclusions regardless of facts
 
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Grand Vol said:
We can "what if" at this point and ask the question of whether Hillary should have met with Putin had she become President. Didn't the Clinton Foundation receive a rather large donation from interests inside of Russia? Could those contributions have potentially put her in a compromising position?

Or any number of foreign governments that contributed to said Foundation? Could she really be objective with someone who contributed millions of dollars into the Foundation?

This isn't a "but HILLARY!" comment, but rather a goose/gander situation. You can't say this about Trump without looking like a partisan **** and not seeing Hillary would be over the same barrel.
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If Hiliary had been elected, Putin would have already called her in for consultation about the emails; we'd be worrying about the fire sale of more strategic materials; and the big deposit in the Clinton slush fund would not raise an eyebrow among Dims ... as long as the DNC got its share.

I imagine that Putin having grown up in Russia isn't likely real concerned about suicidal thoughts at this stage in his life. I'd have to believe that if Putin had favorites it would be Trump by a hair over the potential Hiliarly screeching for years as opposed to her blackmail-ability. Nobody in his right mind would want to hear her screech and see her face if he could avoid it.
 
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landscapingvol said:
You think your constantly repeating paranoid conjectures based on your version of reality is a discussion? A discussion would the sharing of facts and coming to some sort of conclusion. You continue to come to the same conclusions regardless of facts
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The conclusion, which I cite, is not conjecture and it is certainly not paranoid. It is the same conclusion which Trump's own Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, has also reached. Trump obviously respects Pompeo more than anyone else in his administration. Who else has been the head of both the CIA and also served as Secretary of State in just under a year and a half?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Hell, yes. It is an incredible thing for an American President to say.... but Russia is just a "competitor", right?
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When you get right down to it, we know where we stand with Russia - wear gloves when you shake hands, check your pockets after, and don't drink with them. We know where we stand with the Chinese ... they just want to rob us blind, but most people like cheap stuff so they ignore that.

The EU is the group of "friends" who would smile and whisper sweet nothings while they push the knife in your back. Expecting bad things from enemies is one thing, but a good screwing from your "friends" is another entirely.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How about if Trump just voiced support for the United States intelligence community for once?
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Why? Why should he express support for agencies that have been politicized and used to attack him? Why should he express support for an intelligence community whose responsibility is to prevent these kind of problems, who so obviously failed and now have egg all over their face? Our "intelligence" community have made themselves look incompetent, so why should he express support for that incompetence?


Perhaps if Mueller actually shared his evidence that led to the most recent indictment Trump would have something to confront Putin with, but I doubt that happens.
 
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Weezer said:
Why? Why should he express support for agencies that have been politicized and used to attack him? Why should he express support for an intelligence community whose responsibility is to prevent these kind of problems, who so obviously failed and now have egg all over their face? Our "intelligence" community have made themselves look incompetent, so why should he express support for that incompetence?


Perhaps if Mueller actually shared his evidence that led to the most recent indictment Trump would have something to confront Putin with, but I doubt that happens.
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Smh. Why do I repeat myself so much? Because, apparently, you guys are not adept at reading comprehension! Trump's own Secretary of Freaking State, Mike Pompeo (Google him!), was also the CIA Director for a year and he believes that Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 US Presidential election and he also believes that Russia will interfere in other US elections in the future. Pompeo certainly has shared his evidence with Trump and if he has been politicized - then that makes him Trump's politician and he has NEVER attacked Trump. Trump must respect Pompeo. Why else would he have nominated him to two separate positions of such great importance? Unreal.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The conclusion, which I cite, is not conjecture and it is certainly not paranoid. It is the same conclusion which Trump's own Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, has also reached. Trump obviously respects Pompeo more than anyone else in his administration. Who else has been the head of both the CIA and also served as Secretary of State in just under a year and a half?
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BowlBrother85 said:
Smh. Why do I repeat myself so much? Because, apparently, you guys are not adept at reading comprehension! Trump's own Secretary of Freaking State, Mike Pompeo (Google him!), was also the CIA Director for a year and he believes that Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 US Presidential election and he also believes that Russia will interfere in other US elections in the future. Pompeo certainly has shared his evidence with Trump and if he has been politicized - then that makes him Trump's politician and he has NEVER attacked Trump. Trump must respect Pompeo. Why else would he have nominated him to two separate positions of such great importance? Unreal.
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Echo..
 
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