TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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TennTom said:
If you dolts think Trump's relationship with Merkel or the G-7 is ok, it's you who are the clowns.
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I'd dare say Merkel needs to be focused more on the home front rather than worrying about what Trump is doing.

She's kinda on shaky ground at the moment.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd dare say Merkel needs to be focused more on the home front rather than worrying about what Trump is doing.

She's kinda on shaky ground at the moment.
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That was my point. Trump is trying to undermine her to finish her off. He's doing his best to undermine the EU, NATO and the relationships with both, a strategic windfall for Russia. It's not a coincidence.
 
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Mick said:
So you are saying that if we remove troops from Germany it will somehow resolve Obama not wanting to go to war with a Russian backed Syria because he was working our overworked troops. What are you complainging about? Are you saying he should have been working our overworked troops harder?

Invading Syria Vs. removing Troops from an Ally. Nope they don't campare.
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Ok military genius.
 
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TennTom said:
That was my point. Trump is trying to undermine her to finish her off. He's doing his best to undermine the EU, NATO and the relationships with both, a strategic windfall for Russia. It's not a coincidence.
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I tend to think she's done a pretty slam up job of undermining herself.

I'll take the typical liberal position and say "Trump deserves none of the credit."
 
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TennTom said:
That was my point. Trump is trying to undermine her to finish her off. He's doing his best to undermine the EU, NATO and the relationships with both, a strategic windfall for Russia. It's not a coincidence.
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Wow - please don't ever call anyone a conspiracy theorist after posting this.
 
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evillawyer said:
Other than some sanctions--which took major arm twisting--nearly everything he's done in Europe has had the effect of helping Russia. Don't know it's intentional, but it certainly makes you go hmmmm.
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He's trying to open LNG supplies to Western Europe - this impacts the Russian economy and leverage on WE.

He's supporting the Ukraine more aggressively than the prior administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a much more aggressive stance in Syria than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a harder stand on Iran than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

But yeah, he's doing all he can to help Russia.
 
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volinbham said:
He's trying to open LNG supplies to Western Europe - this impacts the Russian economy and leverage on WE.

He's supporting the Ukraine more aggressively than the prior administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a much more aggressive stance in Syria than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a harder stand on Iran than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

But yeah, he's doing all he can to help Russia.
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Careful Bham, with facts you may be called a Trump nut hugger.
 
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volinbham said:
He's trying to open LNG supplies to Western Europe - this impacts the Russian economy and leverage on WE.

He's supporting the Ukraine more aggressively than the prior administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a much more aggressive stance in Syria than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

He's taken a harder stand on Iran than the previous administration - this impacts Russia negatively.

But yeah, he's doing all he can to help Russia.
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Counters:

On Syria:
Why Trump’s Syria proposal for Russia’s Putin could be dangerous - Vox

On Iran: Trump's Iran Deal Exit Is A Win For Russia | HuffPost

On Ukraine (got military help after they stopped cooperating with Mueller):
Ukraine Tests Lethal Weapons Donald Trump Sent to Combat Russia

And I know you won't like the author, but she makes good points: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/opinion/trump-putin-g7.html
 
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evillawyer said:
Counters:

On Syria:
Why Trump’s Syria proposal for Russia’s Putin could be dangerous - Vox

On Iran: Trump's Iran Deal Exit Is A Win For Russia | HuffPost

On Ukraine (got military help after they stopped cooperating with Mueller):
Ukraine Tests Lethal Weapons Donald Trump Sent to Combat Russia

And I know you won't like the author, but she makes good points: Opinion | How Trump Helps Putin - The New York Times
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All speculation to tell a perspective. A series of potential consequences; none of which come anywhere close to suggesting Trump is intentionally trying to help Russia. To contrary, the link discuss possible unintended consequences.

Honestly this "Trump is out to help Russia/Putin" is as dumb as the Obama "secret Muslim" stuff. I'm surprised you are giving it any credence.
 
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TennTom said:
It's his attempt to destroy Merkel for embarrassing him in front of the G-7. Vindictiveness is a symptom of NPD.



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No, child, America trying to get the rest of NATO actively doing their share has been going on quite some time now.

You trying to read Merkel & revenge into it is the kind of thing Demwits do....and and have been doing, also, for quite some time now.
 
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volinbham said:
All speculation to tell a perspective. A series of potential consequences; none of which come anywhere close to suggesting Trump is intentionally trying to help Russia. To contrary, the link discuss possible unintended consequences.

Honestly this "Trump is out to help Russia/Putin" is as dumb as the Obama "secret Muslim" stuff. I'm surprised you are giving it any credence.
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Never said I believe Trump is intentionally trying to help Russia. However, Trump's actions with our allies and his continued coziness with Russia are things which, collectively, give me pause, especially in light of what we know about how Russia favored and took actions to assist Trump during the campaign.
 
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evillawyer said:
Never said I believe Trump is intentionally trying to help Russia. However, Trump's actions with our allies and his continued coziness with Russia are things which, collectively, give me pause, especially in light of what we know about how Russia favored and took actions to assist Trump during the campaign.
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you don't believe it but you might believe it?
 
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TennTom said:
It's his attempt to destroy Merkel for embarrassing him in front of the G-7. Vindictiveness is a symptom of NPD.



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Do you even remember "why Merkel was trying to embarrass Trump"? I don't and don't see where it matters.

Merkel is under a lot of pressure right now regarding ... you got it - illegal immigration. She wants a policy that many members of the EU don't. Of course, Germany is positioned a little like Canada; it doesn't share the most easily reached border, so illegals are largely someone else's problem. Her job was in doubt a week or so ago, and there's no assurance how long she'll keep it. Trump seems to read what the majority wants better than you and Merkel.
 
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TennTom said:
If you dolts think Trump's relationship with Merkel or the G-7 is ok, it's you who are the clowns.
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Who needs who more? Personally, I think our "allies" need us more. Trump is playing hardball trying to get concessions from our so-called friends. What is so bad about that? He's using his leverage to try and negotiate better deals, like any businessman would do. IF he fails, then he overplayed his hand and it's bad. But if he succeeds, that's good. It helps our country. And IF new deals get hammered out, all of this resentment between "allies" will begin to settle and we'll be better for it in the long run. It's a game of political chicken. What I don't understand is why you want Trump to blink first? That certainly wouldn't benefit the country. In fact it would hurt us. It would take away from our position of power and make us look weak to the international community.


I can understand not liking Trump. As a person, he's not very likeable. But all of us should hope he succeeds because he is the POTUS, and when it comes to foreign policy, when he wins, the country wins. IF he loses, the country loses. We're not talking domestic affairs here. This is the grander stage.
 
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hog88 said:
If you place any value on civil liberties and the constitution you shouldn’t be cheering this ruling.
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Whose civil liberties are being violated? He's not the same person as the company. Only the company has appeared. He's trying to game the system and the judge said GTFO.
 
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evillawyer said:
Whose civil liberties are being violated? He's not the same person as the company. Only the company has appeared. He's trying to game the system and the judge said GTFO.
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The company is represented by its officers no? If he’s an officer of the corporation and is to mount a defense he should see what they are using against him no? 14th ammendment? And not for the corporation, for the corporations officers.

Concord denies the allegations, and its attorneys said it was critical that their defense strategy include co-defendant Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, a catering magnate known as “Putin’s chef” because of his ties to Russian President Vladi*mir Putin
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Although this tidbit is interesting.

In a seven-page opinion, Friedrich ruled, “Concord’s right to prepare and present a full defense at trial does not depend on Prigozhin having access to sensitive discovery materials, at least not at this early stage of the prosecution.”

The judge said the issue could be revisited after a trial date is set.
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