TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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volinbham said:
what swift sanctions? In December on his way out the door or telling them to cut it out. Anyway you slice it Trump has taken more action that harms Russia than Obama did yet you clowns keep claiming Trump has been soft on Russia.

I don't know why I even bother
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Trump is unsure if they meddled or not. Did not act on sanctions approved by congress for how many months? 14.
If you want to talk cyber security, something we need more of, has that been addressed under this administration? Are we now employing active measures to interfere in their politics through cyber weapons? If The Trump admin is not doing these things does that make him right not to?

It literally took and act of congress to get him to do anything.
 
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Mick said:
Trump is unsure if they meddled or not. Did not act on sanctions approved by congress for how many months? 14.
If you want to talk cyber security, something we need more of, has that been addressed under this administration? Are we now employing active measures to interfere in their politics through cyber weapons? If The Trump admin is not doing these things does that make him right not to?
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If you read the article I linked it talks directly about the cybersecurity efforts under Pompeo. So actions are being taken.

None of this addresses the bigger issue that Trump has taken more total actions that are negative to Russia than Obama did so arguing that Trump is being soft on Russia and this is evidence of collusion is both ignoring facts and sophomoric.
 
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evillawyer said:
No, the issue is why did multiple Russian billionaires attend invitation-only inauguration events "typically reserved for top donors and close political allies." Now, there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for that (maybe billionaires from all over the word were invited to attend; maybe these were friends of Trump who just happened to be Russian). But what doesn't explain it--and is completely irrelevant to that question--is what Obama did or did not do to combat Russian election interference. That's a deflection from the issue at hand.
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Maybe Trump isn't enamored with the Hollywood and trash music crowd like Obama was. Maybe because billionaires from all over the world know how to make and use what makes the world go 'round rather than waste it on ostentatious freak shows. But most likely is that he invited a crowd with more between the ears than the liberal crowd Obama attracted.
 
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volinbham said:
If you read the article I linked it talks directly about the cybersecurity efforts under Pompeo. So actions are being taken.

None of this addresses the bigger issue that Trump has taken more total actions that are negative to Russia than Obama did so arguing that Trump is being soft on Russia and this is evidence of collusion is both ignoring facts and sophomoric.
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Do you think they are enough?
 
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volinbham said:
Who knows? Since you are so big on keeping secrets about methods/means/processes we shouldn't know what steps are being taken right?
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We definitely need to do a better job than we have in the past with cyber security. Obama's Administration did not address the growing threat from hostile cyber actors and neither did the government, people, businesses, or financial institutions.
 
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That's right. Trump fired Comey, not out of concern over what the investigation will show, but because he was mean to Clinton. The "lock her up" chants make him giggle.
 
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Mick said:
We definitely need to do a better job than we have in the past with cyber security. Obama's Administration did not address the growing threat from hostile cyber actors and neither did the government, people, businesses, or financial institutions.
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So can we acknowledge that the responsibility falls on the institution to protect itself from outside intrusion? That they actually have more responsibility to protect our data than we as individuals do? If I want to be lazy and not lock my doors - that's my choice alone; of course, my insurance company may object to paying a claim resulting from my own sloth.

The world has always been inhabited by people who wish to take illegally, and we certainly owe it to civilization to remove them from circulation whenever possible, but security is up to us and those are supposed to protect our information - whether it's personal data or a matter of national security.

There's a lot of stuff that isn't being adequately addressed ranging from individual identity theft right up to theft (or loss) of materials related to national security. Most of it involves failure to hold the appropriate people and organizations responsible. I can't do much about how a Sec of State fails in the job or Equifax or perhaps Amazon at protecting information - and obviously not much about the miserable job congress does in making laws (with real punishment) that encourage better security. Crime apparently does pay - and white collar crime pays best.
 
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evillawyer said:
Compare and contrast:

Mike Pompeo: “I’m confident that when the president meets with Vladimir Putin he will make clear that meddling in our elections is completely unacceptable." -- June 27th

Donald Trump: "Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election!" --June 28th
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Maybe he'll tell Putin to "cut it out".
 
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volinbham said:
really not much debunking in there.
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this.

“After this mistake became public, the intruders removed the Cyrillic information from the metadata in the next dump and carefully used made-up user names from different world regions,” Vice’s Motherboard reported, “thereby confirming they had made a mistake in the first round.”
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I doubt this type of reasoning stands up in court. seems like a pretty easy red herring.

the rest of it is just a repeat of what has happened. and most of their links are just to articles with no more facts than that one. I also really hate when they reference some of their own work. That hardly counts as a real reference.
 
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Mick said:
Trump is unsure if they meddled or not. Did not act on sanctions approved by congress for how many months? 14.
If you want to talk cyber security, something we need more of, has that been addressed under this administration? Are we now employing active measures to interfere in their politics through cyber weapons? If The Trump admin is not doing these things does that make him right not to?

It literally took and act of congress to get him to do anything.
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should we employ active measures to interfere in their politics?
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's right. Trump fired Comey, not out of concern over what the investigation will show, but because he was mean to Clinton. The "lock her up" chants make him giggle.
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Stop LG, you make yourself look even more foolish when you say stupid crap.

Did you read the scathing letter Rosenstein wrote about the consensus within the department as well, that Comey's ass needed to be fired? By the way, did you read the IG report as well, which further confirmed Comey's ass needed to be axed?
 
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Vol0725 said:
Stop LG, you make yourself look even more foolish when you say stupid crap.

Did you read the scathing letter Rosenstein wrote about the consensus within the department as well, that Comey's ass needing to be fired? By the way, did you read the IG report, as well which further confirmed Comey's ass needed to be axed?
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How quickly we forget that the Dem party wanted him fired before the election.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Is he's not promoting...






















a Revolution?
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LouderVol said:
so the plan is to let Trump run out his term and keep this as a political tool?
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Mueller shouldn't be concerned with politics one way or the other. The best way to not politicize it is to just let the guy do his job. Let him do a full and complete investigation. If he wraps it up prematurely, he's acting for political reasons.
 
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