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#282
I love the banter between the left and the right. I'd like to ask a question of the left. What have you done to help the middle class?
 
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VolStrom said:
I love the banter between the left and the right. I'd like to ask a question of the left. What have you done to help the middle class?
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I’d like to hear this also. Be surprised if you get an answer.
 
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VolStrom said:
I love the banter between the left and the right. I'd like to ask a question of the left. What have you done to help the middle class?
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Saved GM. Kept interest rates down. Disallowed insurance companies to use pre-existing conditions as a condition for payment. Made college more financially accessible with student loans and grant program. Family Medical Leave Act.
 
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VolStrom said:
I love the banter between the left and the right. I'd like to ask a question of the left. What have you done to help the middle class?
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Now let's see if you can show what the right has done to help the middle class. They've controlled Congress for awhile now.
 
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114VOL said:
Made college more financially accessible with student loans and grant program.
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Yeah, because everyone needs to go to college and get a degree they:

A: Can't pay for/be in debt for decades paying them off
B: Possibly won't ever use


These kids watched as the government helped artificially inflate the price of college since the schools KNOW they are going to get their money.

Real helpful like...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, because everyone needs to go to college and get a degree they:

A: Can't pay for/be in debt for decades paying them off
B: Possibly won't ever use


These kids watched as the government helped artificially inflate the price of college since the schools KNOW they are going to get their money.

Real helpful like...
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No, not everyone needs to go but it helps if accessible financing is available. YOu've certainly spoke for your point of view. Of course, there are thousands and thousands that didn't over borrow or were more frugal when they got their degrees and job and haven't spent decades to pay them off. Almost all medical doctors use some sort of financing to complete their degrees and they certainly use their education. So do many other professionals. You can cite the downside all you want, but in the big picture it has been an immense help to the middle class. You do know that some companies help some hires with paying back their student loans, right?

Sorry, you lose this one
 
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114VOL said:
No, not everyone needs to go but it helps if accessible financing is available. YOu've certainly spoke for your point of view. Of course, there are thousands and thousands that didn't over borrow or were more frugal when they got their degrees and job and haven't spent decades to pay them off. Almost all medical doctors use some sort of financing to complete their degrees and they certainly use their education. So do many other professionals. You can cite the downside all you want, but in the big picture it has been an immense help to the middle class. You do know that some companies help some hires with paying back their student loans, right?

Sorry, you lose this one
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Lol

You want to be taken serious and mention a doctor as your example?

The failboat is leaving and you got your first class ticket.
 
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114VOL said:
Saved GM. Kept interest rates down. Disallowed insurance companies to use pre-existing conditions as a condition for payment. Made college more financially accessible with student loans and grant program. Family Medical Leave Act.
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Are you ****ing serious?

Dems didn't save GM, you ****ed over the stock and bond holders. It would have been 1000x better to force them into bankruptcy.

So you admit that Obama manipulated the Fed? Wouldn't that be a federal crime?

And yet again you ****ed over 1000s more..

And you made it possible for 10s of 1000s of people to be saddled with debt for worthless degrees.

Your answer should have been, hey we made a lot of working poor think they are middle class by increasing the ranks.
 
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114VOL said:
No, not everyone needs to go but it helps if accessible financing is available. YOu've certainly spoke for your point of view. Of course, there are thousands and thousands that didn't over borrow or were more frugal when they got their degrees and job and haven't spent decades to pay them off. Almost all medical doctors use some sort of financing to complete their degrees and they certainly use their education. So do many other professionals. You can cite the downside all you want, but in the big picture it has been an immense help to the middle class. You do know that some companies help some hires with paying back their student loans, right?

Sorry, you lose this one
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When you took the decision whether to lend money out of the banks hands and made the loans a grantee you ****ed up.
 
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hog88 said:
Are you ****ing serious?

Dems didn't save GM, you ****ed over the stock and bond holders. It would have been 1000x better to force them into bankruptcy.

So you admit that Obama manipulated the Fed? Wouldn't that be a federal crime?

And yet again you ****ed over 1000s more..

And you made it possible for 10s of 1000s of people to be saddled with debt for worthless degrees.

Your answer should have been, hey we made a lot of working poor think they are middle class by increasing the ranks.
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You're 100% wrong about GM. Do you even understand the structure of the automotive industry? Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of jobs would have been lost as a result of them going into bankruptcy? Did you bother to notice they paid it back plus interest in record time? No,there's no way you could know those things to post such a remarkably ignorant response.
 
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hog88 said:
Are you ****ing serious?

Dems didn't save GM, you ****ed over the stock and bond holders. It would have been 1000x better to force them into bankruptcy.

So you admit that Obama manipulated the Fed? Wouldn't that be a federal crime?

And yet again you ****ed over 1000s more..

And you made it possible for 10s of 1000s of people to be saddled with debt for worthless degrees.

Your answer should have been, hey we made a lot of working poor think they are middle class by increasing the ranks.
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Obama took pretty good care of the unions in the auto industry over the bond holders.
 
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114VOL said:
You're 100% wrong about GM. Do you even understand the structure of the automotive industry? Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of jobs would have been lost as a result of them going into bankruptcy? Did you bother to notice they paid it back plus interest in record time? No,there's no way you could know those things to post such a remarkably ignorant response.
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GM wasn't saved. The GM before the bailout was just poof and gone along with all the money investors had put in. They should have been forced to go through bankruptcy like any other company.

It's ignorant to think GM was saved. It wasn't.
 
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114VOL said:
Bond holders didn't get screwed in any form or fashion.

Sorry but it was a huge success and saved hundreds of thousands of jobs
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Really? You might want to double check that. If you held a bond or stock in the old GM it was just gone. You got nothing.
 
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