Josh Dobbs (merged)

[bamawriter]

What dishonesty?

I posted a video of a guy who coached Brady as a rookie in 2000 saying he was skipping balls in the dirt and over the heads of receivers in practice. Its not me who said that. It was Rob Ryan. He's the one that said the defensive coaches would always bet on the DBs when Brady was throwing passes against them as a rookie.

I'm not the one that said Tom Brady was crappy as a rookie. It was one of his own coaches.

If anything, you are the one that is being intellectually dishonest by trying to imply he was somehow great or better than Dobbs simply because he happened to get into one game at garbage as a rookie and because the Patriots didn't draft another QB the following year because they had a young franchise QB in Drew Bledsoe rather than an old QB threatening to retire like Big Ben.

This is intellectual dishonesty. No one said Brady was great as a rookie. You are the one who compared Dobbs' rookie year to Brady's. When the difference was pointed out you brought up this stuff about his coaches saying Brady sucked. No one cares what Brady's coaches say about him, because, in the end, he moved from third to second string while Dobbs didn't even dress the last few weeks.

Your comparison doesn't pivot on coaches' words; it pivots on the fact that Brady moved up while Dobbs moved down.

 

[bamawriter]

None. I don't care about anything that happens in shorts and a T-shirt.

Dobbs looks absolutely sherreded this season.

Just look at his right arm.

I got a feeling an All-Pro season is coming.

In fairness, Dobbs has on yoga pants.

 

[Burger]

Athletic QBs are a dime a dozen these days. Its all about passing skills. Many of the QBs in the HOF are statues.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Mason Rudolph dwarfed the real football stats of Dobbs. I know I know...”stats don’t matter” just how resting arm veins look.

Gimmick college offense in the no defense Big 12.

When will you guys learn that college stats have no applicability to the NFL?

I guess it'll take Josh Allen dominating the NFL this upcoming season as a rookie and Baker Mayfield being trash for you guys to learn that college stats are IRRELEVANT to NFL success or failure.

I watch film. And according to the film Rudolph like Mayfield was a garbage player who simply played in a gimmick air raid offense in a conference where no defense is played. Josh Dobbs and Josh Allen, on the other hand, didn't play in gimmick offenses. What they exhibited on tape was ELITE talent that would translate to the NFL.

As I've repeatedly said, just wait and see.

 

[Burger]

Gimmick college offense in the no defense Big 12.

When will you guys learn that college stats have no applicability to the NFL?

I guess it'll take Josh Allen dominating the NFL this upcoming season as a rookie and Baker Mayfield being trash for you guys to learn that college stats are IRRELEVANT to NFL success or failure.

I watch film. And according to the film Rudolph like Mayfield was a garbage player who simply played in a gimmick air raid offense in a conference where no defense is played. Josh Dobbs and Josh Allen, on the other hand, didn't play in gimmick offenses. What they exhibited on tape was ELITE talent that would translate to the NFL.

As I've repeatedly said, just wait and see.

Dobbs played in what would be conceived as a gimmick offense in college.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is intellectual dishonesty. No one said Brady was great as a rookie. You are the one who compared Dobbs' rookie year to Brady's. When the difference was pointed out you brought up this stuff about his coaches saying Brady sucked. No one cares what Brady's coaches say about him, because, in the end, he moved from third to second string while Dobbs didn't even dress the last few weeks.

Your comparison doesn't pivot on coaches' words; it pivots on the fact that Brady moved up while Dobbs moved down.

LOL. Now that is intellectual dishonesty. Context always matters.

If Brady's own coaches bet on the DBs in practice everyday and said he was skipping passes in the dirt, then its obvious he didn't move up the depth chart because of his play. It must have been because of the guy ahead of him was somehow even worse or he got injured. I honestly don't remember who was the other QB on that team that year and if he was injured or not.

Regardless, you can't dismiss Rob Ryan's words. He was pretty clear in that interview. No one was impressed with Tom Brady as a rookie. How did he move up the depth chart and get some garbage time in one game as a rookie? Who knows. All I know is according to Rob Ryan, nobody in that coaching staff thought he was anything until his second season when he started playing well in the preseason.

Once again, keep running away from Rob Ryan's testimony. I see you haven't even tried to touch the part where he says Brady was skipping passes in the dirt and overthrowing guys.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Athletic QBs are a dime a dozen these days. Its all about passing skills. Many of the QBs in the HOF are statues.

Dobbs is the rare guy who is ELITE at both. He's not only a dynamic athlete but a great passer as well.

I've already said that he would have multiple 300-yard passing and 100-yard rushing games in the NFL. Now I'll tell you that I'm pretty confident Dobbs will be the first player in NFL history with at least 3,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing in the same season one day. It might be as soon as the 2018 season. And he might top 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing in the same season as well.

Just remember where you heard this first.

 

[Burger]

Dobbs is the rare guy who is ELITE at both. He's not only a dynamic athlete but a great passer as well.

I've already said that he would have multiple 300-yard passing and 100-yard rushing games in the NFL. Now I'll tell you that I'm pretty confident Dobbs will be the first player in NFL history with at least 3,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing in the same season one day. It might be as soon as the 2018 season. And he might top 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing in the same season as well.

Just remember where you heard this first.

He's not an elite passer at all. He's no where close to great as he couldn't even beat out Landry Jones.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs played in what would be conceived as a gimmick offense in college.

Not really. Like Lamar Jackson, his offense, though technically the spread had many pro concepts. The sort of routes and reads we ran and the concepts behind them were pro style. Much more than the pure air-raid offenses Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, and even Deshaun Watson played under.

At this time last year, there was an interview where Dobbs said that most of the stuff the Steelers were teaching him were concepts they ran at Tennessee. Only difference was that rather than being in the gun all the time, he was now taking more snaps under center. But the routes and reads were the same.

The air-raid guys from Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Clemson can't say that. They run offenses that have no applicability to the NFL. The routes and reads they make are very simple. Dobbs and Lamar Jackson ran way more complicated offenses with more pro concepts.

 

[bamawriter]

LOL. Now that is intellectual dishonesty. Context always matters.

Then focus, and keep it in context.

How did he move up the depth chart and get some garbage time in one game as a rookie? Who knows.

Because Billy B put him there. Tomlin put Dobbs in street clothes.

There you go: context.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He's not an elite passer at all. He's no where close to great as he couldn't even beat out Landry Jones.

Tom Brady was skipping passes in the dirt as a rookie and is now arguably the greatest QB of all-time.

Josh Dobbs has elite passing talent. He's just been honing that skill. All good things take time to blossom. That skill will blossom this season.

Like I said, look for a 3,000-4,000 yard passing and 1,000 yard rushing season from Dobbs. And in that process he should have multiple 300-yard passing and 100-yard rushing games.

 

[bamawriter]

The air-raid guys from Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Clemson

Wut?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Then focus, and keep it in context.



Because Billy B put him there. Tomlin put Dobbs in street clothes.

There you go: context.

Like I said in the rest of my post, keep running away from Rob Ryan's words.

He said Tom Brady was bad at practice. That the coaches would always bet on the DBs. And that Brady was skipping passes in the dirt and throwing over their heads.

You've yet to even touch this. I wonder why?

 

[Burger]

Not really. Like Lamar Jackson, his offense, though technically the spread had many pro concepts. The sort of routes and reads we ran and the concepts behind them were pro style. Much more than the pure air-raid offenses Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, and even Deshaun Watson played under.

At this time last year, there was an interview where Dobbs said that most of the stuff the Steelers were teaching him were concepts they ran at Tennessee. Only difference was that rather than being in the gun all the time, he was now taking more snaps under center. But the routes and reads were the same.

The air-raid guys from Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Clemson can't say that. They run offenses that have no applicability to the NFL. The routes and reads they make are very simple. Dobbs and Lamar Jackson ran way more complicated offenses with more pro concepts.

As Bobby P's offense was simplified for Jackson. Jackson won't succeed because of his wonderlic score. Jones' offense worked so well that Dobbs was in street clothes his rookie year.

 

[bamawriter]

Like I said in the rest of my post, keep running away from Rob Ryan's words.

Keep running away from his actions.

He said Tom Brady was bad at practice.

And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.

That the coaches would always bet on the DBs.

And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.

And that Brady was skipping passes in the dirt and throwing over their heads.

And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.

You've yet to even touch this. I wonder why?

Because you keep ignoring the actual issue, which is that Brady was moved to 2nd string while Dobbs had his jersey taken.

 

[Burger]

Tom Brady was skipping passes in the dirt as a rookie and is now arguably the greatest QB of all-time.

Josh Dobbs has elite passing talent. He's just been honing that skill. All good things take time to blossom. That skill will blossom this season.

Like I said, look for a 3,000-4,000 yard passing and 1,000 yard rushing season from Dobbs. And in that process he should have multiple 300-yard passing and 100-yard rushing games.

No he doesn't. He has an average arm, mediocre accuracy, and he was bad at reading defenses.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Wut?

Clemson's current offensive coordinators are from the Chad Morris tree. You know the guy who is now the head coach of Arkansas and just coached SMU.

That's as pure air raid as it gets.

Now if you are reacting to the fact they didn't throw much with Kelly Bryant at QB, then that's what's called great coaching. Something we're not used to here at Tennessee. A coaching staff adapting the offense to fit the skills of their best player rather than trying to force the player to play in a system they are not comfortable.

Because Kelly Bryant couldn't throw that well, they became more of a running team last year. But in previous years with guys like Deshaun Watson, they were an air raid offense. Just go and look up how much they threw the ball with Watson. Also beyond pass attempts their routes are reads were simple air raid stuff.

Clemson is an air raid offense.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.



And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.



And yet Brady moved up to 2nd string.

Thanks for admitting that I am winning this debate.

Childishly repeating yourself over and over again is a sign of defeat.

 

[bamawriter]

Clemson's current offensive coordinators are from the Chad Morris tree. You know the guy who is now the head coach of Arkansas and just coached SMU.

That's as pure air raid as it gets.

Now if you are reacting to the fact they didn't throw much with Kelly Bryant at QB, then that's what's called great coaching. Something we're not used to here at Tennessee. A coaching staff adapting the offense to fit the skills of their best player rather than trying to force the player to play in a system they are not comfortable.

Because Kelly Bryant couldn't throw that well, they became more of a running team last year. But in previous years with guys like Deshaun Watson, they were an air raid offense. Just go and look up how much they threw the ball with Watson. Also beyond pass attempts their routes are reads were simple air raid stuff.

Clemson is an air raid offense.

108 more rushes in 2017

38 more passes in 2016

151 more rushes in 2015

88 more rushes in 2014

53 more rushes in 2013

In the past five years: 362 more rushes than passes.

 

[Vercingetorix]

There is probably at least a 75 percent chance that Dobbs never attempts a pass in a regular season NFL game.

 

[bamawriter]

Thanks for admitting that I am winning this debate.

Childishly repeating yourself over and over again is a sign of defeat.

How am I supposed to compete with a Duke alum?

 

[Burger]

Thanks for admitting that I am winning this debate.

Childishly repeating yourself over and over again is a sign of defeat.

What string is Dobbs, 4th?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There is probably at least a 75 percent chance that Dobbs never attempts a pass in a regular season NFL game.

I just hope this sentiment is remembered in a few months.

What I hate is revisionist history. I better not hear ya'll saying you knew all along Dobbs would be a star in the NFL the way ya'll did with Alvin Kamara last year.

I want it remembered that none of you think Dobbs can even play in the NFL, let alone become a star. Please remember comments like this one.

 

[Burger]

I just hope this sentiment is remembered in a few months.

What I hate is revisionist history. I better not hear ya'll saying you knew all along Dobbs would be a star in the NFL the way ya'll did with Alvin Kamara last year.

I want it remembered that none of you think Dobbs can even play in the NFL, let alone become a star. Please remember comments like this one.

Look in the mirror.

 

[TDawg]

Like I said in the rest of my post, keep running away from Rob Ryan's words.

He said Tom Brady was bad at practice. That the coaches would always bet on the DBs. And that Brady was skipping passes in the dirt and throwing over their heads.

You've yet to even touch this. I wonder why?

STOP! You have never addressed a question I have asked you multiple times so stop trying to push this one. I have asked you multiple times what on your resume makes you think you have a skill of evaluating players? Did you play 4 years of college? Were you an assistant coach or HC at a HS? What was it? Now, I think we all know that neither of the previous two items I just mentioned are true so what is it? My guess, there's nothing there but fandom and you are just making wild guesses.

This is backed up by your post claiming Dobbs to be an elite passer. That's simply not true and not close to true. He was a really really good college QB because the athleticism could carry him. But to be even a mediocre starter in the NFL, you need to be able to throw the ball, make good decisions and avoid turnovers.