Josh Dobbs (merged)

[TDawg]

The difference is the scrub QBs that are being carried by their teammates get exposed soon enough while the studs keep getting better throughout their careers and once they are the guy taking up most of the cap space, they are able to carry the franchise.

And FYI, the Jared Goff hype ends this year. He won't have the statistical success he had last year. He will quickly be exposed as the weak link in the Rams football team.

Remember even Rex Grossman got to a Super Bowl while being awful.

You should be a politician. These spin jobs get crazier each time. Rex Grossman had horrendous stats that year and was held up by a running game and defense. Jared Goff had tremendous stats and hit big plays when needed with some big time throws but somehow you bring Rex into the convo? You're just not good at this man.

 

[TDawg]

Yes. Did you miss the part last year where Tennessee had the worst record in program history after winning back to back 9 win seasons?

That was entirely because Dobbs left. He covered up the flaws of the rest of the team. Just remember in 2016, with Dobbs, Tennessee was FIRST the SEC in offensive TDs and set a SCHOOL RECORD for points in a season. In 2017, without Dobbs, Tennessee was LAST in the SEC in scoring and had one of the worst offenses in the entire nation.

Josh Dobbs was the difference between 9-4 and 4-8. He made a 5 win difference. Now compare how much Tennessee suffered without him to how Clemson performed without Deshaun Watson. That should let you know just how good and valuable Josh Dobbs was in college.

Kelly Bryant fits more of your Rex Grossman comparisons you love so much. He won games no matter how good or bad he was. That D-Line was/is insane. But heck, lets ignore all the others that left UT along with Dobbs. Jennings wasn't there most of the year last year, AK was gone (13 TDs just right there). Barnett, Sutton and JRM gone which explains the teams running up the score at times last season and others just running at will. Sure, it was all Dobbs. I mean, when you bring in a scrub like Shaq Wiggins for your secondary, there is a problem and a gaping hole .. even with him in there.

 

[TDawg]

That's a lie. Dobbs never had that much time and you know it. Look at what happened to Tennessee's offense last year when he wasn't there. He never had much time behind that awful offensive line for the lie you just posted to have been anything close to a common occurence. Maybe it happened once or twice in a season. But you know you are lying about there being "so many plays". If that was the case then why didn't Quentin Dormady or Jarrett Guarantano take advantage of all those open receivers last year?

You know what you posted is a lie.

Easy, because Dormady was a timid QB at best and Guarantano is a head case who's ego is WAY bigger than his talent level.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You should be a politician. These spin jobs get crazier each time. Rex Grossman had horrendous stats that year and was held up by a running game and defense. Jared Goff had tremendous stats and hit big plays when needed with some big time throws but somehow you bring Rex into the convo? You're just not good at this man.

Maybe you need to read my post again. I said the Jared Goff hype ends this year. As in he'll put up awful stats this year for Rams like Rex Grossman did for the Bears in 2006 despite making it to the Super Bowl.

Only so long Sean McVay can pull off these tricks that make Goff look better than he really is.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Kelly Bryant fits more of your Rex Grossman comparisons you love so much. He won games no matter how good or bad he was. That D-Line was/is insane. But heck, lets ignore all the others that left UT along with Dobbs. Jennings wasn't there most of the year last year, AK was gone (13 TDs just right there). Barnett, Sutton and JRM gone which explains the teams running up the score at times last season and others just running at will. Sure, it was all Dobbs. I mean, when you bring in a scrub like Shaq Wiggins for your secondary, there is a problem and a gaping hole .. even with him in there.

First of all, Alvin Kamara didn't even play that much in 2016. John Kelly led all RBs in 2016 in rushing. With Dobbs leading the team overall in rushing.

And I'm shocked you would mention any defensive players. Did you not forget that JRM and Sutton were injured all of 2016? And that our defense was just as bad in 2016 as it was in 2017.

Once again the only real defense between the 2016 team that won 9 games and the 2017 team that only won 4 was JOSH DOBBS. Everything else was the same. John Kelly led the RBs in rushing in 2016 and 2017. And the defense was awful both years. And we suffered tons of injuries both years.

Dobbs was the sole difference between 9-4 and 4-8.

 

[TDawg]

Maybe you need to read my post again. I said the Jared Goff hype ends this year. As in he'll put up awful stats this year for Rams like Rex Grossman did for the Bears in 2006 despite making it to the Super Bowl.

Only so long Sean McVay can pull off these tricks that make Goff look better than he really is.

I read it .. it still doesn't make a bit of sense. You're comparing a guy who just had a great year to a guy who only started all 16 games once in his career and that year wasn't good at all. Rex started almost the entire year his last year and that wasn't too good either. Just another bad comparison trying to cover up a bad evaluation. You don't know anything about QB play.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Easy, because Dormady was a timid QB at best and Guarantano is a head case who's ego is WAY bigger than his talent level.

That's the UGA fan in you talking.

You know good and well both Dormady and Guarantano were high level recruits that Alabama wanted. Most on here though both would be better than Dobbs as a passer going into last year.

Then reality hit and folks around here started to realize just how good Josh Dobbs really was.

Josh Dobbs carried this program on his back in 2015 and 2016. Without Dobbs, Tennessee wins less than 6 games both those years and doesn't make it to a bowl game. Butch Jones would have also been fired a lot sooner. Josh Dobbs made this program look a lot better than it really was.

 

[TDawg]

First of all, Alvin Kamara didn't even play that much in 2016. John Kelly led all RBs in 2016 in rushing. With Dobbs leading the team overall in rushing.

And I'm shocked you would mention any defensive players. Did you not forget that JRM and Sutton were injured all of 2016? And that our defense was just as bad in 2016 as it was in 2017.

Once again the only real defense between the 2016 team that won 9 games and the 2017 team that only won 4 was JOSH DOBBS. Everything else was the same. John Kelly led the RBs in rushing in 2016 and 2017. And the defense was awful both years. And we suffered tons of injuries both years.

Dobbs was the sole difference between 9-4 and 4-8.

They weren't injured the entire year but hey, you're the UT guru right? Not to mention, 13 TDs from one guy in college is a lot of production to replace but hey, you know everything right?

And one thing we agree on is Butch as a horrendous coach but the thing that keeps getting forgotten is how the team completely quit on him (not defending him at all). That has nothing to do with Josh Dobbs.

 

[hndog609]

The difference is the scrub QBs that are being carried by their teammates get exposed soon enough while the studs keep getting better throughout their careers and once they are the guy taking up most of the cap space, they are able to carry the franchise.

And FYI, the Jared Goff hype ends this year. He won't have the statistical success he had last year. He will quickly be exposed as the weak link in the Rams football team.

Remember even Rex Grossman got to a Super Bowl while being awful.

What a wave of stupid. Did you miss this part or just try to BS around it?

if Goff keeps playing well that's the reality you're going to live with.

Rex Grossman's best year was 3193y and 73.9 rating. Why not Dilfer? He actually won a SB with 1502y and a 76.6 rating. Goff had 3804 yards and a 100.5 rating so you can shove the "scrub" description. You're practically invoking voodoo to try to unhappen what we KNOW occurred. Doing nothing more than coming close to his last season would be plenty to justify Goff's part in the equation in the Ram's success.

And again, your prognostication on the matter at this point is worthless. If it happens (whatever the outcome may be) that's what matters.

 

[TDawg]

That's the UGA fan in you talking.

You know good and well both Dormady and Guarantano were high level recruits that Alabama wanted. Most on here though both would be better than Dobbs as a passer going into last year.

Then reality hit and folks around here started to realize just how good Josh Dobbs really was.

Josh Dobbs carried this program on his back in 2015 and 2016. Without Dobbs, Tennessee wins less than 6 games both those years and doesn't make it to a bowl game. Butch Jones would have also been fired a lot sooner. Josh Dobbs made this program look a lot better than it really was.

What the heck does that have to do with anything? By that I mean, who cares what they are rated at in HS after you see what you are really getting. Brice Ramsey was a 4* that Saban would freaking FB chat with he wanted him so bad and he was terrible for UGA. The team collectively told Butch to go F himself last year, that's why UT was 4-8. It wasn't just the 8 losses, its how they looked during them. It wasn't all just on the offense either. That GT game showed their run defense was going to be a problem all year. GT runs like crazy but almost 600 yards rushing is a bit much. The only one your argument makes sense to .. is you.

 

[BearCat204]

Maybe you need to read my post again. I said the Jared Goff hype ends this year. As in he'll put up awful stats this year.

Which is pretty much a guarantee that he will break records and be the MVP.

 

[butchna]

Goff is such a surgeon. Part of a wave of great young quarterbacks. Hope Dobbs at least lands on a practice squad. He’s better than Kaaya who can’t stick.

 

[TDawg]

Goff is such a surgeon. Part of a wave of great young quarterbacks. Hope Dobbs at least lands on a practice squad. He’s better than Kaaya who can’t stick.

Goff is pretty mechanically sound as a QB and gets through progressions very well.

 

[butchna]

Goff is pretty mechanically sound as a QB and gets through progressions very well.

Yeah...that’s what I said.

 

[KBVol]

They weren't injured the entire year but hey, you're the UT guru right? Not to mention, 13 TDs from one guy in college is a lot of production to replace but hey, you know everything right?

And one thing we agree on is Butch as a horrendous coach but the thing that keeps getting forgotten is how the team completely quit on him (not defending him at all). That has nothing to do with Josh Dobbs.

Hey man, he ain’t no “UT guru”....we don’t claim that dumbarse, don’t put that crap on us.

 

[TDawg]

Hey man, he ain’t no “UT guru”....we don’t claim that dumbarse, don’t put that crap on us.

I half expected to see the words "Ricky Bobby" at the end of that post. But believe me, your point has been taken and understood.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

They weren't injured the entire year but hey, you're the UT guru right? Not to mention, 13 TDs from one guy in college is a lot of production to replace but hey, you know everything right?

And one thing we agree on is Butch as a horrendous coach but the thing that keeps getting forgotten is how the team completely quit on him (not defending him at all). That has nothing to do with Josh Dobbs.

Keep being a disbeliever.

I'm guessing when Josh Dobbs wins NFL MVP you'll believe what I've been saying all along.

I've always maintained that Dobbs success in the NFL will make folks like you realize just how good he really was at UT. He carried that program on his back for 3 years. No one else could have done what he did.

Josh Dobbs was a miracle worker.

 

[TDawg]

Keep being a disbeliever.

I'm guessing when Josh Dobbs wins NFL MVP you'll believe what I've been saying all along.

I've always maintained that Dobbs success in the NFL will make folks like you realize just how good he really was at UT. He carried that program on his back for 3 years. No one else could have done what he did.

Josh Dobbs was a miracle worker.

The only difference between a bucket of crap and this post is .. THE BUCKET!

I have zero worries about ever having to go back and do the "oh man you were right" stuff because in order for you to be right, way more NFL guys would have to be wrong. Fact is though, you don't understand the QB position enough to be right so no worries here.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The only difference between a bucket of crap and this post is .. THE BUCKET!

I have zero worries about ever having to go back and do the "oh man you were right" stuff because in order for you to be right, way more NFL guys would have to be wrong. Fact is though, you don't understand the QB position enough to be right so no worries here.

You act as though NFL people aren't wrong all the time.

The best QB (Tom Brady) and WR (Antonio Brown) in the NFL were drafted in the 6th round. The 2 best TEs in the NFL (Rob Gronkowski and Travis Kelce) was drafted in the 2nd round and 3rd round respectively. The best CB and Strong Safety in the NFL for the last 5 years (Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor) were drafted in the 5th round.

I could keep going. But so many of the best players in the NFL were low round draft picks or guys no one had any faith in.

Josh Dobbs turning out to be what I've said all along as a 4th round pick won't be a huge surprise. NFL teams miss on great players like him all the time.

 

[TDawg]

You act as though NFL people aren't wrong all the time.

The best QB (Tom Brady) and WR (Antonio Brown) in the NFL were drafted in the 6th round. The 2 best TEs in the NFL (Rob Gronkowski and Travis Kelce) was drafted in the 2nd round and 3rd round respectively. The best CB and Strong Safety in the NFL for the last 5 years (Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor) were drafted in the 5th round.

I could keep going. But so many of the best players in the NFL were low round draft picks or guys no one had any faith in.

Josh Dobbs turning out to be what I've said all along as a 4th round pick won't be a huge surprise. NFL teams miss on great players like him all the time.

So by your logic then, if a star player isn't drafted in the first couple of rounds then everyone that didn't is wrong? Hopefully you won't be surprised too if Dobbs never sees the field. You know that happens a lot too right? QB gets drafted in rounds 4-7 and never even gets a snap in a regular season game.

NFL scouts/coaches have to do this every year. They have hundreds of college kids to review, scout, interview, put through workouts, etc. Hundreds every year. So if they didn't pick someone in round 3 that some other team got in round 4 and the kid became a star, there could be any number of factors that caused that that you aren't privy to. They are better at this than you, have spent more time around the game than you, know more about talent than you and if a guy you are head over heels in love with doesn't make it on the field, its not because they are stupid, its because they know more than you.

 

[butchna]

Talent shines through. Brady, Brown, Arian Foster et al. Common theme is they got on the same practice fields at the same mini-camps and voluntary work outs and training camps and their SOMETHING was obvious to COACHES who teach for a living. Brady was nowhere near a complete product but he showed enough where he was a third string and then primary backup over established veterans. Antonio Brown was initially the Steelers returner but they kept him because his explosive talent showed in glimpses. Foster as an UDFA had to be that much better than every other RB on the roster...just to stick...and he did. If Dobbs has IT that will be shown and he’ll stick around. If not...there’s a reason, he’s not good enough.

 

[hndog609]

So by your logic then, if a star player isn't drafted in the first couple of rounds then everyone that didn't is wrong? Hopefully you won't be surprised too if Dobbs never sees the field. You know that happens a lot too right? QB gets drafted in rounds 4-7 and never even gets a snap in a regular season game.

NFL scouts/coaches have to do this every year. They have hundreds of college kids to review, scout, interview, put through workouts, etc. Hundreds every year. So if they didn't pick someone in round 3 that some other team got in round 4 and the kid became a star, there could be any number of factors that caused that that you aren't privy to. They are better at this than you, have spent more time around the game than you, know more about talent than you and if a guy you are head over heels in love with doesn't make it on the field, its not because they are stupid, its because they know more than you.

Of the top 10 passers last year not only were 6 1st rounders but none of those were lower than the #11 overall. (Big Ben) Half the list were top 5 overall and 3 were #1's. Only 3 were outside the 2nd rnd.

There are pretty much always outliers. (it's why the word outlier exists) It's also true that higher draft position has a very strong overall correlation to success. (unless you don't understand what correlation means)

 

[TDawg]

Of the top 10 passers last year not only were 6 1st rounders but none of those were lower than the #11 overall. (Big Ben) Half the list were top 5 overall and 3 were #1's. Only 3 were outside the 2nd rnd.

There are pretty much always outliers. (it's why the word outlier exists) It's also true that higher draft position has a very strong overall correlation to success. (unless you don't understand what correlation means)

I mean, I get it .. especially with regards to QBs. Guys like Brady are the super low exception not the rule. And I am more than confident that the president of the Josh Dobbs fan club doesn't have the skills or knowledge to discover the outliers. He is a fan not a scout and no where close to being one.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Keep being a disbeliever.

I'm guessing when Josh Dobbs wins NFL MVP you'll believe what I've been saying all along.

I've always maintained that Dobbs success in the NFL will make folks like you realize just how good he really was at UT. He carried that program on his back for 3 years. No one else could have done what he did.

Josh Dobbs was a miracle worker.

How much?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You act as though NFL people aren't wrong all the time.

The best QB (Tom Brady) and WR (Antonio Brown) in the NFL were drafted in the 6th round. The 2 best TEs in the NFL (Rob Gronkowski and Travis Kelce) was drafted in the 2nd round and 3rd round respectively. The best CB and Strong Safety in the NFL for the last 5 years (Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor) were drafted in the 5th round.

I could keep going. But so many of the best players in the NFL were low round draft picks or guys no one had any faith in.

Josh Dobbs turning out to be what I've said all along as a 4th round pick won't be a huge surprise. NFL teams miss on great players like him all the time.

Please do instead of repeating the same names over and over. And then we can put together a list of great players taken in the first round and compare.

BTW, the second round isn't a "low round".