To Protect and to Serve II

Ras, you'll get a chuckle out of this one...

So my sister-in-law gets stopped in Hillsville, VA on the way to PA to bury her step-father, who had passed away after a long battle with a laundry list of illnesses. She's driving my wife's SUV, and my wife and niece are also in the vehicle. 80 in a 65 on I-77. The officer is professional, but curt. Tells her he could "arrest her for reckless driving", but writes the ticket and sends her on her way.

Steph is a single-mom, and doesn't have much in the way of disposable income, so I'm going to pay the ticket. She was speeding; she got caught; and that's that. But I make a phone call to the PD and leave a message on the officer's voice mail asking him to call me back. All I want to know is if he will be willing to ask the court to withhold adjudication, so that Steph doesn't take the double-hit of seeing her insurance go up when the ticket posts on her D/R.

No response. So I start doing some research, and I find exactly what I suspect I will find. Virginia is known for draconian traffic laws, and draconian enforcement of those laws. And Hillsville, VA is known as a speed trap. Go figure. Small town, small department, and nice shiny new patrol cars and equipment. Thanks to the close proximity of I-77.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me shake my head, and feel free to laugh at me for getting "caught on my own hook", although not really. Yes, I write speeding tickets...sometimes a lot of them...but I rarely even look at anything less than 15 over, and regardless of the speed, I always try to speak with the driver to see if there is some mitigating circumstance which would allow me to issue a warning instead of a citation. Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. But I always ask.

Had that been me, I'd like to think I would have sent them on their way with a written warning. And when I get a call from anyone, LEO or not, about a citation I have written, I always return the call. If it was important enough for you to reach out to me, it's important enough for me to at least return your call. I can say this because I have done it, hundreds of times. They don't always get the answer they want, but they always get the courtesy of a return call.

Not claiming the moral high ground here, but in an age where everything we do is surgically scrutinized, it's bad enough when LEO's tarnish the badge with questionable, over-aggressive, and sometimes outright criminal behavior. Tracing our lineage back to the Roman Centurions...who kept the peace in whatever recently conquered village they were posted in...sometimes we need to be reminded that we are peacekeepers first, and enforcers second.

I don't think I needed the lesson, because I examined this incident, and I didn't see me. Nonetheless, moving forward I'll try to remember that the car I just stopped may be occupied by someone who might benefit from just a small measure of compassion.

Fire away.....
Why are some cops like that? My daughter had an encounter with one the other day because she was parked in the road in front of her friend's house. Even though that's perfectly legal in this town. Started going on about how he "could" have her towed, or he "could" write her a citation. But he was going to "let her off" with a warning. WTH is that? Are we supposed to bow down and praise him for being merciful? Is that his way of establishing that he's the boss? Like the uniform doesn't already do that. Or is this just some random power trip b's?
 
Why are some cops like that? My daughter had an encounter with one the other day because she was parked in the road in front of her friend's house. Even though that's perfectly legal in this town. Started going on about how he "could" have her towed, or he "could" write her a citation. But he was going to "let her off" with a warning. WTH is that? Are we supposed to bow down and praise him for being merciful? Is that his way of establishing that he's the boss? Like the uniform doesn't already do that. Or is this just some random power trip b's?

Power trip
 
Power trip

Let me share another "dose of humility" with you. This one goes back probably 15 years.

I'm working night shift (8p - 8a) on the north end, which is rural. And I'm on the hunt. Working a two-lane highway, and stopping anything I can get PC on. Not writing any tickets, just looking for warrants/suspended DL's/or DUI's.

About 1 a.m., I stop an old pickup truck. No tag light and one tail light out. The driver gets out, and he just-keeps-getting-out. Think "The Green Mile". This dude is huge, dark, bald-headed, and sweaty. He's also about 60 years old, but I know in my heart that if this cat gets ahold of me, I'm toast. So I instinctively step back, and start thinking about "what if".

He picks up on it. Before I can say another word, he says "Relax, boss. I ain't never hit a white man."

That's when the light went on in my head. We were living in completely different worlds. He's on his way home from the mill. He just finished his 12-hour shift. He's sober, and he's exhausted. Tag lights and tail lights are not high on his list of what he can afford to buy with his next check. He makes less than I do, and I'm barely making ends meet.

I handed him his license back, thanked him for his cooperation, and went back to my car. I thought about that encounter a lot the rest of that night, and in the years that have followed.

They don't teach you that lesson in the academy. You have to go get it on your own. Fortunately, I was paying attention when it came.
 
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Let me share another "dose of humility" with you. This one goes back probably 15 years.

I'm working night shift (8p - 8a) on the north end, which is rural. And I'm on the hunt. Working a two-lane highway, and stopping anything I can get PC on. Not writing any tickets, just looking for warrants/suspended DL's/or DUI's.

About 1 a.m., I stop an old pickup truck. No tag light and one tail light out. The driver gets out, and he just-keeps-getting-out. Think "The Green Mile". This dude is huge, dark, bald-headed, and sweaty. He's also about 60 years old, but I know in my heart that if this cat gets ahold of me, I'm toast. So I instinctively step back, and start thinking about "what if".

He picks up on it. Before I can say another word, he says "Relax, boss. I ain't never hit a white man."

That's when the light went on in my head. We were living in completely different worlds. He's on his way home from the mill. He just finished his 12-hour shift. He's sober, and he's exhausted. Tag lights and tail lights are not high on his list of what he can afford to buy with his next check. He makes less than I do, and I'm barely making ends meet.

I handed him his license back, thanked him for his cooperation, and went back to my car. I thought about that encounter a lot the rest of that night, and in the years that have followed.

They don't teach you that lesson in the academy. You have to go get it on your own. Fortunately, I was paying attention when it came.
I respect your ability to access a situation, think it through, see the other perspective, and make a decision accordingly. And to actually reflect after the fact and learn from the encounter tops it off. :good!:
 
I've seen polls regional polls showing that people are in favor of keeping pot illegal. It depends on the region. The last poll I saw in Tennessee was a couple of years ago and it was like 60-40 against legalization but don't hold me to that.

You want to legalize pot, get it on the ballot. Work toward it. Then let the populace decide.

I thought we were given inalienable rights by our Creator? I didn't realize my rights were at the mercy of 60% of the voters...
 
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I thought we were given inalienable rights by our Creator? I didn't realize my rights were at the mercy of 60% of the voters...

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Thomas Jefferson.

Thought I’d point out that you conveniently forgot a “certain” key word there hoss.
 
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Thomas Jefferson.

Thought I’d point out that you conveniently forgot a “certain” key word there hoss.

Reefer is covered under "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"...

In fact, there are so many rights that we have that you can't enumerate them, which is why we have the 9th Amendment. That pretty much takes care of "certain" rights, hoss.
 
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Reefer is covered under "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"...

In fact, there are so many rights that we have that you can't enumerate them, which is why we have the 9th Amendment. That pretty much takes care of "certain" rights, hoss.

There are things called laws. Here’s how it works bruh.

Congress creates and passes bills. The President then signs those bills into law. Federal courts may review these laws and strike them down if they think they do not agree with the U.S. Constitution
 
There are things called laws. Here’s how it works bruh.

Congress creates and passes bills. The President then signs those bills into law. Federal courts may review these laws and strike them down if they think they do not agree with the U.S. Constitution

And we still get unconstitutional laws that squeak through. The system isn't perfect... far from perfect as of late.

And BTW, just because it is the law, that doesn't mean it is just.
 
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And we still get laws that unconstitutional laws that squeak through. The system isn't perfect... far from perfect as of late.

And BTW, just because it is the law, that doesn't mean it is just.

Going back to what started this was the poster said a majority didn’t want it legalized. Hence, the law. You and I probably see this issue similarly however I do not see it as a worthy enough cause to fight for.
 
Going back to what started this was the poster said a majority didn’t want it legalized. Hence, the law. You and I probably see this issue similarly however I do not see it as a worthy enough cause to fight for.

And that is where I asked the question, why should it matter what the majority says?
 
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The founding fathers of this country.

Where did the founders say that the federal government (Congress) has the power to regulate narcotics? At least the alcohol temperance movement was constitutional. The same cannot be said for narcotics.

AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
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Do you believe someone has a higher claim on your life than you?

Besides God? In a society where we rely on each other I do. Not someone silly, some thing. I believe in family, community, country and they all have “higher claim”. When I vote I am voting for what I believe matches my beliefs. Sometimes I get what I want sometimes I don’t. We’re far from perfect but we’re not Romans being thrown to the lions either.
 
Besides God? In a society where we rely on each other I do. Not someone silly, some thing. I believe in family, community, country and they all have “higher claim”. When I vote I am voting for what I believe matches my beliefs. Sometimes I get what I want sometimes I don’t. We’re far from perfect but we’re not Romans being thrown to the lions either.

That’s truly frightening, Tim. No one has a higher claim on my life than me. No one can decide what is best for me, but me. As long as I’m not hurting anyone else, there should be no problem.

When you vote, you’re voting for whatever political parasite will cater to what YOU want. Then they’ll do what they want anyway.
 
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Where did the founders say that the federal government (Congress) has the power to regulate narcotics? At least the alcohol temperance movement was constitutional. The same cannot be said for narcotics.

AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The founding fathers gave congress the ability to make laws. They knew there was no way to foresee what the future held. Its all rather easy to find.
 
That’s truly frightening, Tim. No one has a higher claim on my life than me. No one can decide what is best for me, but me. As long as I’m not hurting anyone else, there should be no problem.

When you vote, you’re voting for whatever political parasite will cater to what YOU want. Then they’ll do what they want anyway.

What’s frightening is that someone liked your post. There are prisons full of people who think like you.
 
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The founding fathers gave congress the ability to make laws. They knew there was no way to foresee what the future held. Its all rather easy to find.

The founding fathers gave congress the ability to make laws within the specific powers granted to it in the Constitution. It’s rather easy to find and I just quoted it for you in the above post.
 
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