TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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While Judge Ellis ripped Muellers team a new one in court, I think he will ultimately rule against Manafort.

(1) Rosenstein's initial memo authorized Mueller to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from that investigation."

(2) Rosenstein's follow up memo states the Manafort allegations "were within the scope of the investigation at the time of [his] appointment and are within tthe scope of the order."

(3) Further, it states Mueller "therefore [has] the authority to continue and complete the investigation of those matters..."

In sum, the DOJ expressly directed and authorized Mueller to investigate any potential crimes that he uncovered regarding Manafort during the course of his investigation.

I understand and respect Judge Ellis' concerns regarding "unfettered" power, but I believe he was largely playing devils advocate and posturing. Once he reviews the memos and contemplates the scenario, I suspect he'll agree that Mueller certainly did have the rightful authority to investigate any additional potential crimes he uncovered during the investigation whether they were directly tied to Russian "collusion" or not.

This is akin to a WARRENTED search of one's property for evidence of one crime and then stumbling upon evidence of another unrelated crime. It is legal, proper and - in the case of Mueller v. Manafort - EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED by the DOJ.

Should Mueller lose, an appeal is in order. But, I doubt that will be necessary.

It's worth noting that Ellis is apparently not contemplating throwing out the charges, rather, he raised issues about venue. If anything, he would likely only reassign the casse to a different prosecutorial branch within the DOJ. Manaforts not performing a Houdini act here folks.
 
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Expect Manafort’s team to bring up the timeline from initial appointment until the Aug 2 double secret probabtion memo as well as its issuance one week after the no knock raid. It doesn’t appear this judge is going to be so willing as to just let that slide.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Expect Manafort’s team to bring up the timeline from initial appointment until the Aug 2 double secret probabtion memo as well as its issuance one week after the no knock raid. It doesn’t appear this judge is going to be so willing as to just let that slide.
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evillawyer said:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

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Hmmm... a tweet from a court house observer speculating what might happen. Dang it. Well of course this changes everything!

I’ve already posted earlier Manafort isn’t out of the woods yet. But Judge Ellis is going to make the prosecution prove their case each step and is going to insure validity of the evidence gathering process.

And I don’t see how that no knock raid passes muster if the Judge questions the timeline of events.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Hmmm... a tweet from a court house observer speculating what might happen. Dang it. Well of course this changes everything!

I’ve already posted earlier Manafort isn’t out of the woods yet. But Judge Ellis is going to make the prosecution prove their case each step and is going to insure validity of the evidence gathering process.

And I don’t see how that no knock raid passes muster if the Judge questions the timeline of events.
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Several attorneys that have appeared before Ellis have said the same. He often likes to play hard on the government only to later rule in their favor.
 
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evillawyer said:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

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Can’t recall the exact basis of the concern, but inside the court room Judge Ellis asked why Rosenstein hadn’t recused himself. There’s some apparent legal concerns he has. Rightfully so to ask questions, and request the ‘scope memo’ as well...so he can make his best and most informed judgement of the rule of law.
 
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TennTom said:
Several attorneys that have appeared before Ellis have said the same. He often likes to play hard on the government only to later rule in their favor.
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No. He’s making the government prove their damn case! As he should. His comment about unfettered power got a “right on!” out of me while I was reading it.
 
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evillawyer said:
Sorry, but if you're enlisting the best and brightest attorneys, chances are you're going to get a disproportionate number of Democrats.
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Well, since most all lawyers have no morals or ethics, and most Dems have no morals or ethics............... duh!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No. He’s making the government prove their damn case! As he should. His comment about unfettered power got a “right on!” out of me while I was reading it.
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‘They’ know Judge Ellis’s statements and requests are not a positive sign for the witch hunt.
 
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Vol0725 said:
What I read is ‘unfettered power’ and show me the damn ‘memo scope’

Oh yeah and accused Mueller Team of “LYING”
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It's just like moron Trump and his drooling rubes like you to spike the ball before crossing the goalline. Carry on.
 
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