Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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apevol said:
It feels weird that the more public sentiment leans toward gun control, I lean away from it. I don't think I'm a contrarian, generally. But in this instance, I'm starting to sympathize witha position I didn't previously agree with.
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I don't even have to try anymore.

The "gun control" doesn't apply to people that don't care to abide by it. This is about a feel good, we passed a law and won position. If it was about people dying your main focus is not on the one thing you have the least control over.
 
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luthervol said:
No one wants to silence the kid beyond the extent that they would prefer that he not glorify the weapon used to massacre their classmates.

Also, I have no problem with the line. It's you guys who will not even discuss it.
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So they have no problem other than he has a different opinion than they do and feel he shouldn't express it.

It baffles me you don't see the problem with that.
 
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Weezer said:
So they have no problem other than he has a different opinion than they do and feel he shouldn't express it.

It baffles me you don't see the problem with that.
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He carefully typed that. It didn't work out.

He got made pretty early on. You listen to someone long enough they will spell it out at some point.
 
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luthervol said:
Now that I've demonstrated how easy it is to just honestly answer a question, I'll try again. No trap, just for the sake of discussion. How do you access each of the 3 scenarios above?
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I think your question has been answered, you just haven't read between the lines to see the answer. Should the statements be seen as threats? Certainly to a degree. They would absolutely be alarming. The question then becomes how to properly deal with it. Do you wait for the kid to show up to school the next day? The scenario you've set up creates time to deal with the situation, so what should be done, and in what order? Call the damn parents and clue them in. That should be the first step. If you don't like the response of the parents, then call the cops and let them get involved. But if you feel threatened by a statement on social media, why are you waiting for the kid to show up to school and then having the school security and a LEO question him? If you think someone's going to show up with a gun, why in the hell are you going and waiting on him? That's the flaw in your argument imo. You have advance warning, so you're going to just show up and be a target? Call the parents and let them do their job. School is about educating children, not parenting them.
 
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apevol said:
It feels weird that the more public sentiment leans toward gun control, I lean away from it. I don't think I'm a contrarian, generally. But in this instance, I'm starting to sympathize witha position I didn't previously agree with.
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We don't need crazy hard left gun control. And I'm pretty damn hard left.

We need better treatment for mental health care.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Lets add to the line Luther.

Is he interrogated if he's shooting a pistol in the video?
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All other things being equal, and based on what we know (which very well may not be the whole story); he probably would not have been interrogated.

Again, I'm willing to answer the questions you guys ask yet still no one has answered mine.
 
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Weezer said:
I think your question has been answered, you just haven't read between the lines to see the answer. Should the statements be seen as threats? Certainly to a degree. They would absolutely be alarming. The question then becomes how to properly deal with it. Do you wait for the kid to show up to school the next day? The scenario you've set up creates time to deal with the situation, so what should be done, and in what order? Call the damn parents and clue them in. That should be the first step. If you don't like the response of the parents, then call the cops and let them get involved. But if you feel threatened by a statement on social media, why are you waiting for the kid to show up to school and then having the school security and a LEO question him? If you think someone's going to show up with a gun, why in the hell are you going and waiting on him? That's the flaw in your argument imo. You have advance warning, so you're going to just show up and be a target? Call the parents and let them do their job. School is about educating children, not parenting them.
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I pretty much agree with everything you say. Thanks for answering.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't think he did anything illegal (if that is the definition of wrong). He intentionally agitated a volatile situation. I highly doubt that his, or his father's, views and opinions were unknown prior to this incident. I can almost guarantee that there is more to this story than we know. If not, the school and the LEO over reacted and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Wrong is arbitrary. What I see as wrong and what you see as wrong will most likely differ because we are different people with different life experiences. And that's okay. It's okay to be an individual and not be in lockstep with everyone else. Just because you oppose someone else's ideas doesn't mean you should be able to shut them up. And that's what you appear to be arguing for. To shut this kid up because you oppose his view on guns. Why else argue that it's okay for school officers to intimidate him despite him doing nothing illegal?
 
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luthervol said:
All other things being equal, and based on what we know (which very well may not be the whole story); he probably would not have been interrogated.

Again, I'm willing to answer the questions you guys ask yet still no one has answered mine.
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He was targeted and handled the way he was for the reasons I've outlined. He wasn't a threat (yes we know you begrudgingly agree at this point) and the weapon he chose wouldn't change that. They had no other reason to pinch him other than intimidation and scale leveling for comments and stance.

The fact you haven't linked a left wing article that shows a Cruz type character or worse has me skeptical you re gonna find what you want.
 
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Weezer said:
Wrong is arbitrary. What I see as wrong and what you see as wrong will most likely differ because we are different people with different life experiences. And that's okay. It's okay to be an individual and not be in lockstep with everyone else. Just because you oppose someone else's ideas doesn't mean you should be able to shut them up. And that's what you appear to be arguing for. To shut this kid up because you oppose his view on guns. Why else argue that it's okay for school officers to intimidate him despite him doing nothing illegal?
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Still holding out hope they can find something on him. He wants him off the stage.
 
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luthervol said:
Now that I've demonstrated how easy it is to just honestly answer a question, I'll try again. No trap, just for the sake of discussion. How do you access each of the 3 scenarios above?
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I answered your questions twice.
 
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hog88 said:
We need to stop excusing bad behavior as a mental condition.
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We need to stop believing mental illness isn't real and start acting on early warning signs. By making people with mental problems believe they are weak, you discourage them from seeking help.
 
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luthervol said:
All other things being equal, and based on what we know (which very well may not be the whole story); he probably would not have been interrogated.

Again, I'm willing to answer the questions you guys ask yet still no one has answered mine.
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so it IS all about the scary black rifle. what a ***** you are
 
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luthervol said:
All other things being equal, and based on what we know (which very well may not be the whole story); he probably would not have been interrogated. You and you I'll have no no backbone and would never be able to live with conservative constitutionally based lines because they would be mean and painted black with sharp edges, not red that face to pink on each side that are capable of being picked up and moved whenever it suits you.

Again, I'm willing to answer the questions you guys ask yet still no one has answered mine.
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Most adults that are free thinkers don't need lines to live by. If you need lines, you draw them and then we will use your legal system against you when you do something wrong.
 
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Weezer said:
We need to stop believing mental illness isn't real and start acting on early warning signs. By making people with mental problems believe they are weak, you discourage them from seeking help.
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I believe in certain situations it absolutely is real.

I also think it has been bastardized and watered down in other situations as an excuse or reason why.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It usually is. Society is not going to go back to parents/society beating the hell out of kids. That didn't work then, and it will not work now.
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I wouldn't marginalize it to just that either.

I've coached youth and middle school basketball for almost 20 years. Parents have become lazy in raising kids in a lot of ways. Discipline and being active and supportive in activities are at the top. Parents are MIA in too many ways anymore.
 
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Weezer said:
We need to stop believing mental illness isn't real and start acting on early warning signs. By making people with mental problems believe they are weak, you discourage them from seeking help.
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Mental illness is real but it has been made the scapegoat for bad parenting and a lack of discipline. “I can’t make little Johnny behave, let’s throw some pills down his throat so I don’t have to parent”.
 
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