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#6,680
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There’s nothing wrong with unranked guys. You just don’t need 10 of them.

Lots of times you have to fill a need. Sometimes you find hidden gems. Sometimes you need depth.
 
#6,682
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BigZiti09 said:
There’s nothing wrong with unranked guys. You just don’t need 10 of them.

Lots of times you have to fill a need. Sometimes you find hidden gems. Sometimes you need depth.
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I agree but the problem is one unranked guy on one service is ranked on another.

I would say you don't want many unranked guys across the board. Just a few of those is ok.
 
#6,685
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BruinVol said:
Only 6 in 10 years? Wow. Most say they haven't recruited at a high level but they have imo
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People say that because their classes aren’t highly rated, but that’s because they bring in 2-3 guys a year only...they typically don’t have attrition and many times Wright only has 11 scholarship guys.
 
#6,686
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BruinVol said:
I agree but the problem is one unranked guy on one service is ranked on another.

I would say you don't want many unranked guys across the board. Just a few of those is ok.
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That’s why....

1. I stick with rivals and just use 247 as a comparison. You’d be surprised how often they line up. I pulled up our targets in the 2019 class earlier that BTO has compiled rankings for outta rivals. Hang on and I’ll post.

2. I ignore espn. They don’t invest in covering recruiting

3. Scout is gone. No need to even mention them.
 
#6,687
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bleedingTNorange said:
After more digging I would shape the board much more like this...these are guys with firm offers from Tennessee and that have expressed some form of interest in Tennessee...

PG:
#13 Jalen Lecque (10 by 247)
#41 Tre Mann (34 by 247)
#107 Kira Lewis (82 by 247)

SG:
#18 Josiah James (20 by 247)
#46 Marcus Watson (33 by 247)
#116 Dekeyvan Tandy (156 by 247)

SF:
NR Davonte Gaines(#204 by 247)

PF:
#32 Isaiah Stewart (23 by 247)
#124 Daniel Ramsey (100 by 247)

C:
#80 DJ Burns(125 by 247)
NR Jason Jitoboh(#190 by 247)
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From the targets thread. I added 247 in parentheses.
 
#6,688
#6,688
BigZiti09 said:
That’s why....

1. I stick with rivals and just use 247 as a comparison. You’d be surprised how often they line up. I pulled up our targets in the 2019 class earlier that BTO has compiled rankings for outta rivals. Hang on and I’ll post.

2. I ignore espn. They don’t invest in covering recruiting

3. Scout is gone. No need to even mention them.
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I would love to see a study of what Service got it right more times than the others.


Would love to see who had Williams, Maten, Hield type players rated the highest. I wonder If that would show who does the best job
 
#6,689
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BruinVol said:
I would love to see a study of what Service got it right more times than the others.


Would love to see who had Williams, Maten, Hield type players rated the highest. I wonder If that would show who does the best job
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Hard to say cause rivals doesn’t go past 150.

Rivals used to have player ratings that could help you gauge what range a player fell into. They’ve deleted them. Not sure why. Maybe trying to screw with 247 composite.
 
#6,691
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BigZiti09 said:
Hard to say cause rivals doesn’t go past 150.

Rivals used to have player ratings that could help you gauge what range a player fell into. They’ve deleted them. Not sure why. Maybe trying to screw with 247 composite.
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I always thought rivals and scout should have sued 247 for using their rankings
 
#6,692
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BruinVol said:
That shows the higher the ranking the more the differences get between 247 and rivals.
Burns the perfect example of what I have been saying
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Yeah and I’m not really disagreeing that a player ranked 80 and 120 are gonna have a huge gap. At least not always.

To me I like the top 150 and I think you need some guys with higher ceilings so you need those higher rated 4* on the roster. That’s where you find the Jordan McRae, Tyler Smith, Wayne Chism.

You’ll never hear me saying we need a bunch of 5*. I’m not against them but I think we need to find more Wayne Chism type guys.

That elite 8 team had 4 main players. Chism who was top 40, B Maze who was 135 outta high school, JP who was a fringe 5* before having health issues and transferring and Scotty Hopson.

Those guys were all vets too. Scotty was the youngest as a Soph.
 
#6,694
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BigZiti09 said:
Yeah and I’m not really disagreeing that a player ranked 80 and 120 are gonna have a huge gap. At least not always.

To me I like the top 150 and I think you need some guys with higher ceilings so you need those higher rated 4* on the roster. That’s where you find the Jordan McRae, Tyler Smith, Wayne Chism.

You’ll never hear me saying we need a bunch of 5*. I’m not against them but I think we need to find more Wayne Chism type guys.

That elite 8 team had 4 main players. Chism who was top 40, B Maze who was 135 outta high school, JP who was a fringe 5* before having health issues and transferring and Scotty Hopson.

Those guys were all vets too. Scotty was the youngest as a Soph.
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I can buy this post very much so.


THe only thing I will add is imo Grant williams is a top 50 player if we re ranked the class. So saying you have to have a top 50 player to win big is fair because we have ours
 
#6,695
#6,695
BigZiti09 said:
I think rivals started doing stuff to make it harder on them to keep the composite.

247 is all bells and whistles and no substance.
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And seriosly how did 247 completely whip the scout stuff from the net?

Surely it's somewhere if you know where to look
 
#6,696
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BruinVol said:
And seriosly how did 247 completely whip the scout stuff from the net?

Surely it's somewhere if you know where to look
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They redirected everything scout.com to 247.com

It’s gone unless you find where people have compiled list on message boards.

At least that’s my thoughts.
 
#6,698
#6,698
Tennessee’s path to success is to recruit guys in the top 150 and develop them and keep them for 3-4 years.

That doesn’t mean you won’t take transfers or get guys outside that. And it doesn’t mean get every guy from 140-150 rank either. Gotta have some top 100 guys and gotta have some top 50 on occasion.

But that’s our path to our ceiling IMO.
 
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#6,699
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I'd love to have 2-3 hours and a 6 pack of beer to take all SEC signees over the past 10 years and see the breakdown. Figuring out what is considered a success and what isnt would be hard. Would be fun to decide what is considered successful.


Here is mine:

Any of these things would do it for me
Start over 90 games
Average over 10pts
Everyday Starter on an NCAA tourney team



I'd say any of those things happen and a player should be called a succes.
 
#6,700
#6,700
If someone who had no clue cane on here, they would swear we were all fans of different teams. Can’t we all just get along? :)
 
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