Recruiting Discussion

[cncchris33]

What people really dislike is me saying things that are true that they don't want to hear...over and over and over and over and over...

Fixed

 

[BruinVol]

It’s not good enough. .

And there you go. Continue to complain and boo while the rest of us enjoy success.


Have a good evening

 

[BigZiti09]

Here's the questions.....

Why did we send an assistant to visit Akinjo while everyone else sent a head coach?

Why do we have half a dozen targets in the spring we are trying to get seriously involved with and in the fall we have 1 guy?

Why are the majority of our targets guys who re-enter the market?

How is it that guys who re-enter the market magically fit this "recruiting profile" I'm always told that Rick Barnes uses?

I want to see some people answer these with serious answers and really give an answer instead of a laundry list of excuses. It's the fourth freakin class.

 

[BigZiti09]

And there you go. Continue to complain and boo while the rest of us enjoy success.


Have a good evening

See ya bruin. :hi:

 

[calban]

Laughable.

The season is over. We lost 2 of our last 3. Now it's recruiting season for hoops and we have zero commits.

What sunshine pumping should I be doing? You can't ask legit questions about RB recruiting on here. It's not allowed.

Why did we send an assistant to visit Akinjo while everyone else sent a head coach?

Why do we have half a dozen targets in the spring we are trying to get seriously involved with and in the fall we have 1 guy?

Why are the majority of our targets guys who re-enter the market?

How is it that guys who re-enter the market magically fit this "recruiting profile" I'm always told that Rick Barnes uses?

These kind of questions are not allowed here.

Seems you've been chosen to take SD's place. An honor of sorts?

 

[BigZiti09]

Seems you've been chosen to take SD's place. An honor of sorts?

Yeah cause that’s what’s happening.

 

[BigZiti09]

Here's the questions.....

Why did we send an assistant to visit Akinjo while everyone else sent a head coach?

Why do we have half a dozen targets in the spring we are trying to get seriously involved with and in the fall we have 1 guy?

Why are the majority of our targets guys who re-enter the market?

How is it that guys who re-enter the market magically fit this "recruiting profile" I'm always told that Rick Barnes uses?

I want to see some people answer these with serious answers and really give an answer instead of a laundry list of excuses. It's the fourth freakin class.

Bump for calban and any of the other name callers.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Btw Rob Lewis confirmed what I said, Barnes and staff have been in home with Burns, not sure of how many times but they’ve done in home with him.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Like I said. Keep dodging.

Then reword your post to whatever it is you meant to say, because I truly don’t know...didn’t realize I would have to translate what your posts actually meant.

 

[calban]

Bump for calban and any of the other name callers.

I was simplofizin. Not name callin.
The answer to those questions remains the same as it has always been. It is what it is. Only CRB Knows.

I do respect the results of the season and at least a SW16 next.

 

[BruinVol]

Then reword your post to whatever it is you meant to say, because I truly don’t know...didn’t realize I would have to translate what your posts actually meant.

Wait...

So the complaining about Barnes not going wasn't warranted?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Laughable.

The season is over. We lost 2 of our last 3.

This sentence is what is laughable...you do realize a crap load of teams lost 2 of their last 3, right? I’m guessing you do realize that and it’s why you chose a 3 game scope instead of 7 or 8.

 

[BigZiti09]

Btw Rob Lewis confirmed what I said, Barnes and staff have been in home with Burns, not sure of how many times but they’ve done in home with him.

Good to hear.

 

[BigZiti09]

This sentence is what is laughable...you do realize a crap load of teams lost 2 of their last 3, right? I’m guessing you do realize that and it’s why you chose a 3 game scope instead of 7 or 8.

I'm just curious on what Bruin thinks I'm supposed to be posting about.

It's not like a lot of great things happened at the end. I don't have to subscribe to his "standing ovation" philosophy.

 

[BigZiti09]

Then reword your post to whatever it is you meant to say, because I truly don’t know...didn’t realize I would have to translate what your posts actually meant.

Pretty remarkable that so many decommits, grad transfers and guys released from their LOI in the spring fit the RB recruiting profile that I'm told we are using to find our players.

What was our recruiting board like in December?

For that matter, what was it like in October?

Since then, Simons decommitted due to FBI deal and ends up on our radar.

Akinjo gets a release - on our radar.

Fore becomes a grad transfer - on our radar.

We have had zero traction with a single recruit after the November signing day except guys who re-entered the market.

We could do it another way.

List the recruits we have been seriously involved with in this class.....

Petrusev
Simons - re-entered
Fore - re -entered
Pretty much anyone else that we identify between now and June for 2018.

We tried to get in the mix for Akinjo and even got him to schedule an OV before he canceled it. So not really involved but we wanted to be. Another guy who re-entered the market.

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[BigZiti09]

Wait...

So the complaining about Barnes not going wasn't warranted?

Thought you were done for the day?

Who complained?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Here's the questions.....

Why did we send an assistant to visit Akinjo while everyone else sent a head coach?

Yet it was good enough to be 1/3 teams to land an OV, you conveniently ignore that part.

Why do we have half a dozen targets in the spring we are trying to get seriously involved with and in the fall we have 1 guy?

Who are the 6? Simons? Didn’t pursue Harris. McEwen?

Why are the majority of our targets guys who re-enter the market?

Because just about every Top 150 guy is committed to a school...so pickings are kind of slim. If we land Simons this doesn’t matter, yet if we don’t recruit a player like that and had landed a guy ranked 160 in the spring and were now done you would question that move as well.

How is it that guys who re-enter the market magically fit this "recruiting profile" I'm always told that Rick Barnes uses?

Again who? They pursued Akinjo and McEwen with some form of aggression, yet you make a blanket statement as if they pursued everyone?

I want to see some people answer these with serious answers and really give an answer instead of a laundry list of excuses. It's the fourth freakin class.

Hopefully I did that. Here’s why my point has been, it’s not over...we clearly were at the very least a consideration for Akinjo, and Burns has confirmed he could reclassify. How dumb do you look if the class finishes with those 2? Obviously it isn’t going to, but my point is that 2018 class is not over, so why make such definitive statements until it is?

 

[BigZiti09]

The straw man angle in the hoops forum is off the charts.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Wait...

So the complaining about Barnes not going wasn't warranted?

Speculation

 

[cncchris33]

Here's the questions.....

Why did we send an assistant to visit Akinjo while everyone else sent a head coach?

I can't answer that. Perhaps it was a mistake. No one says the staff is infallible. It was a calculated decision, and maybe it set him off. Thought, obviously not enough, at the time, to prohibit from scheduling a visit. What did Arizona do to mess up their chances? I seriously doubt if Akinjo made his decision based on which coach visited him in person to gauge interest, but I could be wrong. To me, playing time is probably his biggest factor in choosing schools.
Georgetown loses two SR guards who combined to average 36 mpg and 5.5 apg.

Why do we have half a dozen targets in the spring we are trying to get seriously involved with and in the fall we have 1 guy?

We had one scholarship to offer at the time, and we zeroed in on Petrusev, who we appeared to lead for until Gonzaga swept in at the last moment. We then moved on to Simons. With only one scholarship, it doesn't make sense to cast a wide net, especially when you find one guy you really want to add and you like your chances.

Why are the majority of our targets guys who re-enter the market?

Again, we had one scholarship to offer, and our brand and outlook today is much more appealing to these higher ranked guys (guys you wanted us to recruit) than it was 6-8 months ago.
Simply put, in the spring, there are more impact players available that opt out of other commitments than there are impact players commonly available who just haven't signed.

How is it that guys who re-enter the market magically fit this "recruiting profile" I'm always told that Rick Barnes uses?

The guys we are targeting are only a small fraction of the guys coming available. You can't pretend like we are desperately offering any and every player that comes available. The guys we are targeting likely fit the profile all along, but again, Tennessee basketball looks much more attractive to guys now than it did in the summer/fall a year ago when they committed. Plus, now we have an additional scholarship we didn't have then.

I want to see some people answer these with serious answers and really give an answer instead of a laundry list of excuses. It's the fourth freakin class.

You just seem very hard to please. If we had focused in on a guy we could have easily landed, but wouldn't be a contributor, you'd have complained about us committing so early to a guy who wasn't a difference maker. When we focus on difference makers, you complain that we should have had someone locked up long ago in the fall. It just seems like you are at the end of your rope with Barnes, and have been since day one because he isn't pleasing you in recruiting. And apparently that is more important to you than what he does on the court. Would Will Wade have drawn your ire as quickly as Barnes did if he had landed the Tennessee job and recruited the same way with the same results?

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[bleedingTNorange]

I'm just curious on what Bruin thinks I'm supposed to be posting about.

It's not like a lot of great things happened at the end. I don't have to subscribe to his "standing ovation" philosophy.

No you don’t, but likewise I don’t think we need to act as if 2018 is a disaster and the program is doomed either. I know you’re gonna say I haven’t said that, but your posts all certainly sound like that’s how you feel

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Tennessee had 1 open scholarship, I get people say recruit like you’ve got 2 but this staff truly didn’t expect anyone to leave until about 2 weeks prior to the season ending. People on this board named Fulk, Kent, Jalen Johnson etc...all that has proven false, these guys are on board and not leaving, and if not for some bad things going down Darrington probably finishes at Tennessee as well.

So again, Tennessee has recruited the 2018 class like they had 1 spot...they identified Petrusev early and made their move, if not for Gonzaga then we probably land him. They quickly turned towards Simons who at the time was telling people he wasn’t thinking NBA and most NBA people were saying he was a 2nd rounder. As time passed he became more open and scouts continued to be impressed, and it became clear he was heading to the league. If he didn’t he would’ve been a Vol, so that’s 2 guys we finished 2nd for that if you add give a much different look.

Maybe you say they should’ve been slow playing someone all spring, but that can be tough to do. Other schools start using that against you and the kid calls your bluff on OVing and things change quickly. Like I’ve said if we had remained with 1 spot open I don’t see near the complaints, you likely take a grad transfer PG still, or graduate big man and go about your business...I don’t see how theres such a disparity of feelings between the two.

 

[BigZiti09]

Yet it was good enough to be 1/3 teams to land an OV, you conveniently ignore that part.



Who are the 6? Simons? Didn’t pursue Harris. McEwen?



Because just about every Top 150 guy is committed to a school...so pickings are kind of slim. If we land Simons this doesn’t matter, yet if we don’t recruit a player like that and had landed a guy ranked 160 in the spring and were now done you would question that move as well.



Again who? They pursued Akinjo and McEwen with some form of aggression, yet you make a blanket statement as if they pursued everyone?



Hopefully I did that.

We didn't land an OV for Akinjo so that's false. Canceled it and rescheduled for Arizona then canceled it and committed. We were out of it before the commit. So another dodge.

Simons, Fore, Akinjo. Those 3 are not debatable. There's more I'm missing and there will be more along the way. Any grad transfer we get involved with fits the mold. You know the names better than I do.

As to the bolded - the pickings being slim is kinda the point. We don't need to be filling up every year in the spring. Not a recipe for success. As to me complaining about that - complete bs. I said we should be recruiting like we had 2 spots all along.

Our recruiting board is small in the fall and grows in the spring. The narrative about sticking to this strict profile is a fabricated story that fans have made up to excuse the recruiting that isn't good on paper.

 

[BigZiti09]

No you don’t, but likewise I don’t think we need to act as if 2018 is a disaster and the program is doomed either. I know you’re gonna say I haven’t said that, but your posts all certainly sound like that’s how you feel

I'm not happy about 2018 recruiting no. So I kinda felt like we needed 2019 to be a really good class and then I'm told "no, that's not true." But now we are admitting that the pickins for 2018 that are left are slim.

Talking out of both sides to protect RB.

It's ok to be open and honest about our recruiting and quit trying to pretend it's something that it's not.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

We didn't land an OV for Akinjo so that's false. Canceled it and rescheduled for Arizona then canceled it and committed. We were out of it before the commit. So another dodge.

False. Both VQ and GVX say the cancellation was on Tennessee side, not Akinjo. So another false take.

Simons, Fore, Akinjo. Those 3 are not debatable. There's more I'm missing and there will be more along the way. Any grad transfer we get involved with fits the mold. You know the names better than I do.

So you started with half players available, then to 6, now to 3? Just because you see “Tennessee has inquired about” I wouldn’t take that as “Tennessee is pursuing”...to my knowledge Tennessee seriously got involved with Fore, Akinjo and McEwen of the spring free agent cycle type. That is 3 guys out of 100+, sure sounds to me like that are being selective and not simply offering every guy coming open.

As to the bolded - the pickings being slim is kinda the point. We don't need to be filling up every year in the spring. Not a recipe for success. As to me complaining about that - complete bs. I said we should be recruiting like we had 2 spots all along.

And I addressed that and get that, but that’s easier said than done. If Tennessee was to have recruited and signed say Isaac Likekele (150ish recruit) in the fall and Darrington stays on the team therefore we are full I highly doubt you are applauding Barnes for this recruiting class.

Our recruiting board is small in the fall and grows in the spring. The narrative about sticking to this strict profile is a fabricated story that fans have made up to excuse the recruiting that isn't good on paper.

Disregard 2015 class, who? 2016 Bowden was a spring signee, he seems to be a guy that fits the mold they look for, but yes he appeared on their radar late. 2017 Pons they had been recruiting and scouting for about a year, Kent was one of their first 2017 offers, he was down the board but he wasn’t someone they had never heard of, Walker was a guy they also watched during AAU and was down their board. Darrington would be someone they pursued late as a JUCO so I will give you that one