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My favorite quote from Pruitt:

Jeremy Pruitt: I know I say this a lot, but I used to be a high school coach. If you have to play guys both ways to make sure your best guys are out there with two minutes left and the game on the line, then that’s what you do.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You really can't see how that post was ambiguous? Are you that incapable of considering another's point of view?

If that's what you really meant with that post, I apologize. I misinterpreted an ambiguous post. I wasn't, as you accused, trying to be "sneaky" or knowingly mislead others about a post you made.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.
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And I really can't see how you misunderstood what I meant by that post in the context of our conversations that day. It's cool though, if you say you aren't trying to be malicious, then I believe you. I have never known you to be disingenuous.

I really believe my intent was apparent in that post, at no point did I predict us going 4-8 again. If we go 4-8 this season, barring catastrophic injury, then Pruitt is not the right guy. I think we go 5-7 but play much more competitively throughout the season, and if the usually inevitable injuries do not afflict us this season we could do a couple of games better than that. I am feeling a bit better about the roster, but it is just so shallow across the board.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
He doesn’t have to be a thumper in this defense either.

Everyone always assumes you need all big LBs in the 3-4 but some of Pruitt’s best ILB at Bama we’re 230ish and could fly around the field. Sapp fits that mold perfectly. He could be a problem for opposing defenses the next couple years with his athleticism.
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No disagreement on that. Plenty of LBs around 230 who have excelled in a 3-4. There’s much more to the position than size and strength.
 
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Sleegro said:
I don't think butch has destroyed his career. He's still got plenty of time to improve. It is up to him though and hopefully he'll realize that and take advantage. Didn't work at db after 9 practices but he's got the rest of spring and summer at wr to try to show he deserves to play. Work ethic can be learned and developed.
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💯 on board here
 
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SpringBokVol said:
My favorite quote from Pruitt:

Jeremy Pruitt: I know I say this a lot, but I used to be a high school coach. If you have to play guys both ways to make sure your best guys are out there with two minutes left and the game on the line, then that’s what you do.
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Glitch said:
Chief Vol be like...
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Catbone said:
This season is going to be painful.
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No way. I’ve accepted it for what it is, a rebuild. No big hopes to be dashed. It was a lot worse when we hope or expect to win the East, and then fail.

I’ve got a good feel on this season... 5-8 wins, and probably not much value in any wins unless we get Florida. Let’s ride
 
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So since the general consensus is that not all of the moves we saw today are likely to stick, how would you rank the switches coaches are looking at from likeliest to least likely to stick for 2018?

IMO:

Byrd to WR (if he even sticks around, that is)

Bumphus to DE. This move has been speculated for a while now, Bumphus was recruited as a defender by many other schools, and he looks like he may have kind of outgrown the TE position.


Taylor to CB. We all want to see him with the ball in his hands. But apparently we’ve had a lot of WRs look solid this spring, we’re going to be using more 21 personnel, and we’re in desperate need for someone to step up at CB. He may have a quicker route to PT at CB.


Fant to ILB. My thinking here may be completely off base, but ILB isn’t somewhere we’re in dire need of depth in 2018. But we could possibly see guys like Kirkland, Bituli, or Sapp test the draft if they have a breakout season this year and I don’t really get a sense the coaches like Reid or Page very much at ILB. I kind of think the coaches might be a lot more comfortable with where we are at RB than they were at the start of spring and may be thinking more long term with Fant because of that.


Crosby to OG. Coaches seem to want someone to plug into the interior who can bring more push. I could see Crosby ultimately having more long term upside on the OL if we’re trying to build an identity as a team that likes to pound the rock. His height could be a bit more of a limiting factor for him on the DL than at OG.


Emerson to OG. I think he could probably be a better OG than Crosby. He’s got a great frame to play OG and is already around 300 lbs. But he has a lot of upside on the DL, too. Part of me wants to put Emerson way higher on this list because physically he’s better looking than most of our OL. If he bought in to the change, I could see him ending up as a starter at OG in 2018 because of that. I’m just not sure Pruitt, a defensive minded coach, will be willing to give up a guy who could be a vital piece of the front 7 next year and who might even get leaned on for depth this year if injuries happen.


Butler to OT. I don’t really see this one taking at all. Butler has decent size for a DE and might our most athletic OT if we moved him there, but he’d also be one of our smallest OTs and would need to bulk up big time to be able to contribute as anything more than emergency depth. If they do move him to offense, I don’t really see him factoring in as much more than possibly a 6th OL we could throw in for shirt yardage plays. I’m not sure he’d even be the first guy you want used in that kind of situation, though.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Jordan had something that no other player I’ve ever seen play had, Kobe was a close 2nd. He was not only better than everyone he was mentally tougher and his desire to win was off the charts.

At no fault of lebron he doesn’t have the killer instinct those guys had. From a talent standpoint LeBron May have more talent but he’s missing something those guys had. Which puts him slightly below them in my opinion.

I know I’m the world of social media we see more of this today than we did back in Jordan’s day but players today are buddies and to me it makes them look weak. Jordan and Kobe would have killed there opponents and Gus today wanna be friends
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Force of nature. Frustrating because I was a Knicks fan and had a team that could beat the Bulls...just not him.
 
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Catbone said:
This season is going to be painful.
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They are all painful.....for some fans like you bone

I hope you don’t see/approach everything in your like you do vol sports. You seem like a decent young man. Life is too short to always see things in a constant state of perceived failure. Good luck young man
Look for the sunny side of life. It’s slways Orange 🍊
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
So since the general consensus is that not all of the moves we saw today are likely to stick, how would you rank the switches coaches are looking at from likeliest to least likely to stick for 2018?
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Crosby to OG - Best chance IMO to stick, and truthfully I kind of hope it does. Although I think he could be a decent to very good NT, I feel with guys like Tuttle, Gooden, Lawson, Emerson, etc we're better off at interior DL than interior OL.

Byrd to WR - Seems like the Byrd to defense experiment failed, oddly enough. I think he stays with the program and Helton is more creative with him than the old staff ever could've been, although that won't be hard.

Bumphus to DE - Honestly hate losing him at TE, but I guess he wasn't standing out. Looks like we still need a stud in-line blocker and we may not have one this year. I was hoping he fulfilled that role.

Taylor to CB - I know he wants to play offense, but I also know he's a Vol through and through and has an incredible work ethic. And honestly, if you have Pruitt, Kelly, and Fair suggesting you try cornerback, it might be wise to listen. I don't know if this one will stick, but I'm excited to see him get some playing time and seeing how this one plays out.


I'm all for the experimentation d, and you during this time of year, and you never know what'll happen, but I have to say these make little sense to me at the moment:

Emerson at OG - He's too taleted a DL to move to G. Also, considering how sensitive Emerson was to being reffered to as a DE whenever anyone referred to him as a DT during the recruiting process, I wonder how he responded to Pruitts suggested tryout. High character kid, so I'm sure he responded just fine. Just something I wondered about. He tweeted more than once that he was a DE, not a DT - and if reffered to as a DT during interviews he would correct the person.

Fant at ILB - Based on reports, it sounded like Fant to RB was looking like a success. That the staff liked his size at the position. I'm wondering if Coleman showed enough during the scrimmage (reports were he was bigger and more physical IIRC) that it made this move possible. In any event, I'm doubtful this one sticks.

Butler at OT - Maybe the staff sees him as a long armed , quick footed athlete who can gain another 20-30lbs. Outside of that, I'm not sure what the thinking is.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
So since the general consensus is that not all of the moves we saw today are likely to stick, how would you rank the switches coaches are looking at from likeliest to least likely to stick for 2018?

IMO:

Byrd to WR (if he even sticks around, that is)

Bumphus to DE. This move has been speculated for a while now, Bumphus was recruited as a defender by many other schools, and he looks like he may have kind of outgrown the TE position.


Taylor to CB. We all want to see him with the ball in his hands. But apparently we’ve had a lot of WRs look solid this spring, we’re going to be using more 21 personnel, and we’re in desperate need for someone to step up at CB. He may have a quicker route to PT at CB.


Fant to ILB. My thinking here may be completely off base, but ILB isn’t somewhere we’re in dire need of depth in 2018. But we could possibly see guys like Kirkland, Bituli, or Sapp test the draft if they have a breakout season this year and I don’t really get a sense the coaches like Reid or Page very much at ILB. I kind of think the coaches might be a lot more comfortable with where we are at RB than they were at the start of spring and may be thinking more long term with Fant because of that.


Crosby to OG. Coaches seem to want someone to plug into the interior who can bring more push. I could see Crosby ultimately having more long term upside on the OL if we’re trying to build an identity as a team that likes to pound the rock. His height could be a bit more of a limiting factor for him on the DL than at OG.


Emerson to OG. I think he could probably be a better OG than Crosby. He’s got a great frame to play OG and is already around 300 lbs. But he has a lot of upside on the DL, too. Part of me wants to put Emerson way higher on this list because physically he’s better looking than most of our OL. If he bought in to the change, I could see him ending up as a starter at OG in 2018 because of that. I’m just not sure Pruitt, a defensive minded coach, will be willing to give up a guy who could be a vital piece of the front 7 next year and who might even get leaned on for depth this year if injuries happen.


Butler to OT. I don’t really see this one taking at all. Butler has decent size for a DE and might our most athletic OT if we moved him there, but he’d also be one of our smallest OTs and would need to bulk up big time to be able to contribute as anything more than emergency depth. If they do move him to offense, I don’t really see him factoring in as much more than possibly a 6th OL we could throw in for shirt yardage plays. I’m not sure he’d even be the first guy you want used in that kind of situation, though.
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Your scenario of moving all these D linemen to OL, what does that leave us left in terms of depth on the D Line?
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Crosby to OG - Best chance IMO to stick, and truthfully I kind of hope it does. Although I think he could be a decent to very good NT, I feel with guys like Tuttle, Gooden, Lawson, Emerson, etc we're better off at interior DL than interior OL.

Byrd to WR - Seems like the Byrd to defense experiment failed, oddly enough. I think he stays with the program and Helton is more creative with him than the old staff ever could've been, although that won't be hard.

Bumphus to DE - Honestly hate losing him at TE, but I guess he wasn't standing out. Looks like we still need a stud in-line blocker and we may not have one this year. I was hoping he fulfilled that role.

Taylor to CB - I know he wants to play offense, but I also know he's a Vol through and through and has an incredible work ethic. And honestly, if you have Pruitt, Kelly, and Fair suggesting you try cornerback, it might be wise to listen. I don't know if this one will stick, but I'm excited to see him get some playing time and seeing how this one plays out.


I'm all for the experimentation d, and you during this time of year, and you never know what'll happen, but I have to say these make little sense to me at the moment:

Emerson at OG - He's too taleted a DL to move to G. Also, considering how sensitive Emerson was to being reffered to as a DE whenever anyone referred to him as a DT during the recruiting process, I wonder how he responded to Pruitts suggested tryout. High character kid, so I'm sure he responded just fine. Just something I wondered about. He tweeted more than once that he was a DE, not a DT - and if reffered to as a DT during interviews he would correct the person.

Fant at ILB - Based on reports, it sounded like Fant to RB was looking like a success. That the staff liked his size at the position. I'm wondering if Coleman showed enough during the scrimmage (reports were he was bigger and more physical IIRC) that it made this move possible. In any event, I'm doubtful this one sticks.

Butler at OT - Maybe the staff sees him as a long armed , quick footed athlete who can gain another 20-30lbs. Outside of that, I'm not sure what the thinking is.
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I get it its a discussion board but you all are putting way too much stock in these. They are experiments not changes. I doubt any other than say Bumphus or Crosby are actually position changes. Its spring ball, Pruitt is just shaking things up.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Your scenario of moving all these D linemen to OL, what does that leave us left in terms of depth on the D Line?
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Umm....that’s not my scenario?

The whole premise of my post was that it’s unlikely all of these moves are permanent followed by a ranking of most to least likely to stick.

The DL guys being moved were all in my bottom 3, FWIW.
 
#5,121
#5,121
Not sure I like the Emerson/Butler moves, they seemed like big athletic bodies we are desperately missing. But I don't really know anything.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
My favorite quote from Pruitt:

Jeremy Pruitt: I know I say this a lot, but I used to be a high school coach. If you have to play guys both ways to make sure your best guys are out there with two minutes left and the game on the line, then that’s what you do.
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Mine was when the reporter asked 2 questions and he answered the second one, then the reporter tried to remind him of the first question and he just grinned and said "Yeah I skipped that one" and moved on to the next reporter. hahaha so good. :lolabove:
 
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Didn't Fulmer constantly recruit defensive linemen only to move them to the offensive line because they tended to have the attitude/intensity he wanted there?

Maybe Pruitt is taking some advice here.
 
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