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butchna said:
Good scheme keeps him off the record books. Monte couldn’t handle the spread. Became even more apparent in California. Junior ended up having to fire him.
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To be fair, I don't think we had a DE, LB, or corner on that '09 team that would start for any of the top 10 or so teams in the SEC.
 
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MrVolton said:
To be fair, I don't think we had a DE, LB, or corner on that '09 team that would start for any of the top 10 or so teams in the SEC.
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To be fair that shouldn’t matter. They competed against better teams...it was coaching failure. Give them credit for Bama...they get the negative for Ole Miss.
 
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butchna said:
To be fair that shouldn’t matter. They competed against better teams...it was coaching failure. Give them credit for Bama...they get the negative for Ole Miss.
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Sure it matters. Yes, Berry, Big Dan Williams, and probably Janzen could have started for anybody, but I'm not sure any of the rest of the starters on that 2009 D would have been a lock to start at UK or Vandy that year.
 
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JP_UT_O&W said:
So do we have some guys on the team now that we'll look back at in 10 years and list like this?

I bet there are more than a couple but we'll see.
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I agree. Guys I think could be on the list are below. Once you sit down to do this though it’s hard - lots of potential with some guys but just haven’t seen enough yet on the field.


T. Smith (if healthy)
Warrior
Chandler
Tuttle (if healthy)

Emerson and Petersen in the current class sound very promising.
 
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Some good news on the Basketball recruiting front...

DJ Burns is headed back home right now after his official visit, which he made with both his mother and father. I'm trying to get in touch with him for an interview, but we'll see, in the past he hasn't shown a lot of interest in doing interviews.

The pertinent information I've got right now is that he left Knoxville without committing but hearing that things went very, very well. I think Tennessee feels like they're in a great position with him right now and I wouldn't be surprised if he reaches a decision very soon. Maybe even in the next few days.

Will keep trying to get him on the phone and will post any updates.
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- Rob Lewis

4 star Center in ‘19 class

D.J. Burns, Rock Hill, Center (BK)

Rivals.com
 
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MrVolton said:
Sure it matters. Yes, Berry, Big Dan Williams, and probably Janzen could have started for anybody, but I'm not sure any of the rest of the starters on that 2009 D would have been a lock to start at UK or Vandy that year.
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You also had Montori Hughes who was a NFLer. And Chris walker was pretty good too. I thought Rogan was a solid DB. LBs were pretty weak but when you have EB basically playing LB all year and a first rounder in Dan anchoring the DL it makes a good defense. We also played ball control offense too.
 
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vol2002 said:
I agree. Guys I think could be on the list are below. Once you sit down to do this though it’s hard - lots of potential with some guys but just haven’t seen enough yet on the field.


T. Smith (if healthy)
Warrior
Chandler
Tuttle (if healthy)

Emerson and Petersen in the current class sound very promising.
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I think there will be a bunch more unexpected guys on this team that show out. Not even incoming freshman. Guys that were lost on last years team and forgotten. I could see bituli, Richmond, kongbo, Phillips, and a couple others have redemption stories. Bituli belongs more in the expected group though. I also think a couple of receivers and cornerbacks will turn into good players.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Truth. People don’t like to admit that because kiffin is so hyped.

But that was a 9 or 10 win team and kiffin and monte underachieved.

Blew the UCLA game. No showed for Ole Miss and Va Tech.
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If you said this outside of a Vols forum, it'd probably be called revisionist, but you're absolutely right.

Didn't we try running the exact same play three times in a row in the red zone against UCLA?
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
If you said this outside of a Vols forum, it'd probably be called revisionist, but you're absolutely right.

Didn't we try running the exact same play three times in a row in the red zone against UCLA?
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Yea right on the goaline. 🙄🙄🙄 they were begging us to go play action
 
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MrVolton said:
Sure it matters. Yes, Berry, Big Dan Williams, and probably Janzen could have started for anybody, but I'm not sure any of the rest of the starters on that 2009 D would have been a lock to start at UK or Vandy that year.
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Is that the criteria? Do you think UCLA and Ole Miss were acceptable coaching performances? I voted no already...missed yours.
 
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The way I see it...

QB
Crompton and Guarantano were both top 100 recruits coming out of high school, and Crompton hadn't shown anything vs. UCLA or Florida in 2009 to indicate that he would be any better than JG at this point.

Push

RB
Like several on the current roster, Hardesty had trouble staying healthy going into the 2009 year, but made the best of a nice season and got drafted. Give the edge to Hardesty over Chandler, but edge to Jordan, Coleman, Banks, and London over Poole, Oku, and ???

Slight advantage 2009

TE
Brown's name has come up in practice reports, and Bama wanted Wood-Anderson badly enough. However, because of Stocker and Cottam,...

Advantage 2009

OL
I think both Richmond (has been held back by pee wee league S&C and scheme) and Smith will play in the NFL. I think that '09 line may have had 3 pros on it, but the 2018 OL will not have to rely on walk-ons at 2 starting spots.

At least a push

WR
I don't know if the 2018 squad has a D-Mo (although he didn't really seem to break out until later), but current #2-#5 WR corps > 2009 #2-#5 WR corps

Advantage 2018

DL
2009 had Big Dan Williams, but Montori Hughes was a non-factor as a freshman. Tuttle (when healthy), Kongbo, Phillips, A. Johnson, and Butler are all more physically gifted than Wes Brown, Chris Walker, Ben Martin, Fowlkes, or Willie Bohannon.

Slight edge 2018

LB
Bituli, Kirkland (when healthy), Ignont, Q. Sapp, Darrel Taylor, and Austin Smith >>>> Reveiz, Nigel Mitchell-Thornton, Thompson, McCoy, Lathers, Frazier

Big edge 2018

DB
Based on potential, 2018 roster sports 5 top 100 recruits in Warrior, Osborne, TK jr, Gray, and Byrd, plus top 250 recruit Abernathy. 2009 roster had 4 top 100 recruits in Berry, Janzen Jackson, Darren Myles Jr, and Brent Vinson. 2018 has better depth, but 2009 had Eric Berry.

Edge 2009 just because Eric Berry
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I can say this, the hand positioning they were taught up front would allow me at 215lbs to wreck some. It was pitiful to say the least.
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Guess that would make sense as to why programs like Indiana State and Appalachian State ran through our line like doo doo through a goose.
 
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MrVolton said:
The way I see it...

QB
Crompton and Guarantano were both top 100 recruits coming out of high school, and Crompton hadn't shown anything vs. UCLA or Florida in 2009 to indicate that he would be any better than JG at this point.

Push

RB
Like several on the current roster, Hardesty had trouble staying healthy going into the 2009 year, but made the best of a nice season and got drafted. Give the edge to Hardesty over Chandler, but edge to Jordan, Coleman, Banks, and London over Poole, Oku, and ???

Slight advantage 2009

TE
Brown's name has come up in practice reports, and Bama wanted Wood-Anderson badly enough. However, because of Stocker and Cottam,...

Advantage 2009

OL
I think both Richmond (has been held back by pee wee league S&C and scheme) and Smith will play in the NFL. I think that '09 line may have had 3 pros on it, but the 2017 OL will not have to rely on walk-ons at 2 starting spots.

At least a push

WR
I don't know if the 2017 squad has a D-Mo (although he didn't really seem to break out until later), but current #2-#5 WR corps > 2009 #2-#5 WR corps

Advantage 2017

DL
2009 had Big Dan Williams, but Montori Hughes was a non-factor as a freshman. Tuttle (when healthy), Kongbo, Phillips, A. Johnson, and Butler are all more physically gifted than Wes Brown, Chris Walker, Ben Martin, Fowlkes, or Willie Bohannon.

Slight edge 2017

LB
Bituli, Kirkland (when healthy), Ignont, Q. Sapp, Darrel Taylor, and Austin Smith >>>> Reveiz, Nigel Mitchell-Thornton, Thompson, McCoy, Lathers, Frazier

Big edge 2017

DB
Based on potential, 2017 roster sports 5 top 100 recruits in Warrior, Osborne, TK jr, Gray, and Byrd, plus top 250 recruit Abernathy. 2009 roster had 4 top 100 recruits in Berry, Janzen Jackson, Darren Myles Jr, and Brent Vinson. 2017 has better depth, but 2009 had Eric Berry.

Edge 2009 just because Eric Berry
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I think I agree with all of this except this is 2018?
 
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butchna said:
Is that the criteria? Do you think UCLA and Ole Miss were acceptable coaching performances? I voted no already...missed yours.
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The roster was as much a part of the discussion as coaching performance. Many were saying that the 2009 roster was better than the current one and using that as evidence that Kiffin and co. actually underperformed. I'm not necessarily disagreeing that he underperformed, especially in those games you mentioned. My point is that to be fair, that 2009 roster wasn't as great as a handful of stars make it appear to be.

Besides, you've got to consider roster when judging a coach's performance. Even Saban only managed 7 wins his 1st year at Bama, and that roster was probably better that '09 Vols.
 
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