Pope: There Is No Hell

#751
#751
BigO95 said:
I understand what you are saying, But I haven't changed my mind on the subject one little bit. Why don't these new bible translators leave off the copy rights if they are interested in getting the word of God out to the people?
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An ox is worthy of its food.
 
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#752
wow, this thread got interesting.

ftr I don't think stating something, that may be factual, makes a book scientific.

I read pure fantasy which has more "scientific truths" than what the bible mentions. at least as quoted here.
 
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LouderVol said:
wow, this thread got interesting.

ftr I don't think stating something, that may be factual, makes a book scientific.

I read pure fantasy which has more "scientific truths" than what the bible mentions. at least as quoted here.
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Those statements are more scientific than some of this garbage that they are calling science today.
 
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#763
Ok so after someone brought up ray comfort I googled him. I agree w some of the things he is saying not all of it. And yes videos are edited. I then looked up people that argued against his points. And have yet to find one that could prove him wrong. However the video on homosexuality was not very good. Science has proven many wonderful things but here’s where it stops for me. It can not prove how we got here. Tyson maybe one of the smartest men alive present day but his thinking is flawed in my opinion
 
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#766
Well, I only had to watch 47 seconds of that video to find the first false statement.

He makes the claim that Job was written 1,500 years before Christ. That is false. The Torah, itself, was not written until the 7th Century BCE. Job was written after that (somewhere between the 6th and 4th Centuries BCE). Hence, we can only compare this claim about the free-floating earth to other claims that were written down at the same time.

The same time period gives us the pre-Socratics on the shores of the Mediterranean from Greece wrapping around to Egypt. And, the pre-Socratics provide both the arguments that the world must be round and the astronomical evidence.

Comfort is engaged in mere speculation if he is asserting that the Bible must have been the first written account of a spherical earth. There is no greater reason to believe that the Bible was first than that the pre-Socratics were first. Thus, there is no reason to believe that the authors of the book of Job could not have been informed of this by the philosophers of their day, as opposed to the other way around.

Moreover, since the pre-Socratics actually provide arguments for why this must be so, it is more likely that they influenced the author of the book of Job and not the other way around.

Can't believe I wasted 47 seconds of my life on that nonsense.
 
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Originally Posted by Orangeslice13 View Post
Most don’t know where the line is and according to Messiah there will be many shocked to find out they’re not “Christian” enough to get in.


That’s Mathew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Orange_Crush said:
Rex...

So, you are saying that the Kingdom of God is heaven, yet Jesus said that it had come with His earthly ministry of liberation. You have some 'splaining to do.
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Good point OC; so to clarify:

My prior and current response/explanation was and is, in the context of Matt 7:21, and 22 as quoted -- "on that day," which I believe is in the context of Day of Judgement (i.e. Christ's second return).

"on
that
day."

(I suppose you might interpret it "in" that day // as-in, "during" that period of time -- but I'm looking at it, as-in, "on" that "day").

(in this context/at this moment of discussion, I'm referring to "on that day" and not to "the kingdom of heaven is within/among you").
 
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therealUT said:
Feel free to provide an account of the theory of mutation through selection for us.
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How about I provide you something factual instead?

Genesis 1:1-31 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
#774
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BigO95 said:
How about I provide you something factual instead?

Genesis 1:1-31 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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I was wrong. More nonsense.
 
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therealUT said:
Well, I only had to watch 47 seconds of that video to find the first false statement.

He makes the claim that Job was written 1,500 years before Christ. That is false. The Torah, itself, was not written until the 7th Century BCE. Job was written after that (somewhere between the 6th and 4th Centuries BCE). Hence, we can only compare this claim about the free-floating earth to other claims that were written down at the same time.

The same time period gives us the pre-Socratics on the shores of the Mediterranean from Greece wrapping around to Egypt. And, the pre-Socratics provide both the arguments that the world must be round and the astronomical evidence.

Comfort is engaged in mere speculation if he is asserting that the Bible must have been the first written account of a spherical earth. There is no greater reason to believe that the Bible was first than that the pre-Socratics were first. Thus, there is no reason to believe that the authors of the book of Job could not have been informed of this by the philosophers of their day, as opposed to the other way around.

Moreover, since the pre-Socratics actually provide arguments for why this must be so, it is more likely that they influenced the author of the book of Job and not the other way around.

Can't believe I wasted 47 seconds of my life on that nonsense.
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there are no irrefutable clues with respect to dating the book, such that "proposals have ranged over many centuries from before the time of Moses to the period between the testaments
So the oldest it might possibly be is circa early 3rd millennium BC to late 2nd millennium BC.
 
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