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Black Panther
8/10
A great science fiction drama movie that is a simple story with complex characters ,a simple Black Hat Villain, A Main Hero is a Simple Hero a good man with a good heart which is why he's a likable hero, other good characters are also likable, and the main Villain is a Well Intentioned Extremist, variety for locations and a Impressive Futuristic Country Wakanda that is highly or greatly advanced.
It is a multiple POV Story involving the Main Hero and the Main Villain , both sides of the argument shown why Wakanda should or shouldn't help countries using their advanced technology, exciting great climax, 1 great after credits scene and a great interruption of Credits scene
8/10
A great science fiction drama movie that is a simple story with complex characters ,a simple Black Hat Villain, A Main Hero is a Simple Hero a good man with a good heart which is why he's a likable hero, other good characters are also likable, and the main Villain is a Well Intentioned Extremist, variety for locations and a Impressive Futuristic Country Wakanda that is highly or greatly advanced.
It is a multiple POV Story involving the Main Hero and the Main Villain , both sides of the argument shown why Wakanda should or shouldn't help countries using their advanced technology, exciting great climax, 1 great after credits scene and a great interruption of Credits scene
Cons
Klaw a major super villain of Black Panther is killed early in the movie. He has a sonic blaster arm canon that is powerful enough to destroy a car, a table, etc.
I wanted to see him in most of the movie, and even if he is ressurected in Avengers Infinity War it's still a dumb decision that he is killed early in the Black Panther Movie.
Killmonger wears a Black Panther suit once in the climax. I wanted to see him use the suit in more than just the climax.
Mbakua is never called his Alter Ego Man Ape, and his Ape costume is incomplete because only his face is visible for the mainstream continuity version while movie has him wear fur on his legs, arms, and a chest plane hints at a Gorilla.
I understand why these changes but still hate the changes.
When using character either use the character with the alter ego name said by characters, along with the costume being the exact same or complete and mostly the same or don't use the character.
Pros
Outsiders know that Wakanda is a underdeveloped third world country a lie which is why Wakanda has been able to thrive, avoid 2 World Wars, and other issues while the USA, Germany and other countries haven't
Great action which includes Black Panther chasing Klaw in South Korea, also rips off a tire, and suit is bulletproof, and he was laying on a grenade exploded no damage to him.
The Ritual fights which is if the challenger wins that person becomes the King of Wakanda.
A herb removes superhuman abilities to make it a fair fight.
In a great fight TChalla almost is unconscious fighting MBaku, and is able to defeat him by using a wrist lock with Mbaku submitting.
A decent fight Killmonger fighting TChalla and it becomes a embarrassment with Killmonger not sweat defeats him and throws him over a waterfall.
It's not surprising he survived.
A great show and tell how Wakanda became a country, how Wakanda got vibranium, how a person gains superhuman abilities as the Black Panther that involves drinking a heart shaped herb, and how Wakanda became a highly advanced Country.
Shuri is a brilliant inventor that invented the Black Panther suits that can absorb kinetic energy and release it as a explosion. She does use vibranium sonic blasts that were effective vs Killmonger except he still is able to destroy the sonic blasters. She is Tchalla's sister, and is able to get a herb to heal his brother before all the herbs are destroyed because Killmonger ordered all herbs to be destroyed.
CIA Agent Ross that was in the Air Force shows off those skills while flying a Jet because he does shoot Wakanda Jets to prevent persons from giving Wakanda weapons to oppressed persons. He also did sacrifice himself to protect Nakia.
Wakanda technology easily healed the bullet wounds.
Tchalla wants to help other countries but not with violence which is Killmonger's solution.
MBaku is altered to a ally not a super villain because he did move a comatose Tchalla out of a waterfall and put him under ice so he would survive since He did owe him a debt Tchalla sparing his life in the ritual combat. Also him and his Tribe do fight in the climax to help Black Panther and others defeat WKabi's army.
All are likable unique characters.
Impressive special effects with Tchalla putting on what looks like shoes only the bottom of shoes and the rest appears.
Also Wakanda technology able to project cars, Jets, etc being used in a location while in another location.
Somehow a person can quickly alter to a Black Panther suit.
Also bright lights when Black Panther absorbs kinetic energy shown on his costume.
Terrific breathtaking locations
Wakanda has high buildings including multiple Skyscrapers. It seems similar to Chicago in I Robot no ghetto or slums also the advanced transportation because of trains moving at a great speed.
Agent Ross comments he's never seen trains this efficient.
The Waterfalls where the ritual combat is beautiful and great.
The mountains have a high amount of snow also wind.
While in the Ancestoral Plane Tchaka tells Tchalla he is a good man with a good character. We see a flashback from Captain America Civil War showing how he died which is showing continuity and informing persons how he died if persons didn't see Captain America Civil War.
That is telling with but not a flaw because it is shown in the movie. Tchalla defeating Mbaku in ritual combat persuades him to submit rather than die.
After Klaw is extracted Black Panther decides not to pursue him instead Take Agent Ross to Wakanda so he can be healed, and won't die which happens.
He knows that Agent Ross sacraficed himself to protect Nakia and isn't persuaded to leave a wounded man that choose to sacrifice himself.
He does ask Mbaku for help to defeat Killmonger and his army which he declines because of past Wakanda Kings that haven't asked for his help.
He and his Tribe got involved no doubt after knowing it is what is right after being told of Killmonger's goal, and most likely he is happy that Tchalla is a different Wakanda King since he asked him for his help.
He does offer Killmonger a opportunity to be healed but Killmonger not wanting the bondage of Incarceration chooses to remove the knife and die a free man.
Also he does bring Killmonger after Black Panther defeated him in the climax to the surface to see the sunrise in Wakanda which is what Killmonger wanted.
The no hostility with the protagonist and antagonist after the climax seems dejavu Star Wars Return of the Jedi with Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
He talks about Wakanda in a post credits scene Wakanda will be sharing it's technology with other Countries and The true nature of Wakanda.
The outreach center created by TChalla in Oakland that will be run by Nakia and Shuri.
Both sides of the argument shown for why Wakanda should get involved helping other countries and why they haven't including the technology they used could be used for evil.
Great clothes for the Wakandans, and if it's recognizable African clothes I assume because Wakanda is a combination of African cultures.
Killmonger (Erik Stevens) is sympathetic when he is a kid because he was abandoned, his dad was killed, and had to grow up in 90s Oakland no doubt experiencing prejudices.
Not a sympathetic super villain You don't agree with his methods to accomplish his good goal but still understand him which makes him a great character and a great complex super villain.
His goal is give the oppressed persons Wakanda weapons so they can fight back and won't be oppressed. He is a Well Intentioned Extremist that seems dejavu of Baron Zemo and Magneto.
NJobu his dad did assist Klaw by stealing vibranium from Wakanda and had the goal to sell the Wakanda weapons to oppressed persons so they could fight back and Wakanda could become a Empire.
The good characters have done bad or terrible things showing the duality nature style characters which Marvel is known for both Villains and Heroes.
Zuri a undercover tells TChaka that that NJobu has been helping Klaw bu stealing vibranium from Wakanda.
NJobu doesn't want to be judged by the Wakanda council which is why he attacks Zuri that forces TChaka to kill him.
Also TChaka ordered Zuri to lie that NJobu disappeared and left behind his American son Erik. Erik is not a full blooded Wakandan because his mother is American.
TChalla had to confront Zuri to hear the truth about NJobu, and is told NJobu plan was share Wakanda technology with people that are African Descent so they could conquer their oppressors. Also since Erik isn't a full blooded Wakandan he is abandoned not brought to Wakanda.
Foreshadowing Bucky Barnes is called White Wolf shown in a after credits scene.
Exciting Great Climax
Killmonger using a Black Panther suit fights Wakanda Body Guards, the Wakanda Body Guards fight WKabi and his army, also Mbaku and the Jabari get involved to fight WKabi and his army, Black Panther wrecks a Wakanda Jet, Black Panther fighting the Evil Black Panther Killmonger on Wakanda ground, and on train tracks with Black Panther able to stab him with a knife because his suit is disrupted.
Okoye has the advantage vs WKabi that would kill him for her Country after asking her that direct question he sees the futility and no doubt not wanting to die WKabi shows the surrender action by Standing down along with his army.
Klaw a major super villain of Black Panther is killed early in the movie. He has a sonic blaster arm canon that is powerful enough to destroy a car, a table, etc.
I wanted to see him in most of the movie, and even if he is ressurected in Avengers Infinity War it's still a dumb decision that he is killed early in the Black Panther Movie.
Killmonger wears a Black Panther suit once in the climax. I wanted to see him use the suit in more than just the climax.
Mbakua is never called his Alter Ego Man Ape, and his Ape costume is incomplete because only his face is visible for the mainstream continuity version while movie has him wear fur on his legs, arms, and a chest plane hints at a Gorilla.
I understand why these changes but still hate the changes.
When using character either use the character with the alter ego name said by characters, along with the costume being the exact same or complete and mostly the same or don't use the character.
Pros
Outsiders know that Wakanda is a underdeveloped third world country a lie which is why Wakanda has been able to thrive, avoid 2 World Wars, and other issues while the USA, Germany and other countries haven't
Great action which includes Black Panther chasing Klaw in South Korea, also rips off a tire, and suit is bulletproof, and he was laying on a grenade exploded no damage to him.
The Ritual fights which is if the challenger wins that person becomes the King of Wakanda.
A herb removes superhuman abilities to make it a fair fight.
In a great fight TChalla almost is unconscious fighting MBaku, and is able to defeat him by using a wrist lock with Mbaku submitting.
A decent fight Killmonger fighting TChalla and it becomes a embarrassment with Killmonger not sweat defeats him and throws him over a waterfall.
It's not surprising he survived.
A great show and tell how Wakanda became a country, how Wakanda got vibranium, how a person gains superhuman abilities as the Black Panther that involves drinking a heart shaped herb, and how Wakanda became a highly advanced Country.
Shuri is a brilliant inventor that invented the Black Panther suits that can absorb kinetic energy and release it as a explosion. She does use vibranium sonic blasts that were effective vs Killmonger except he still is able to destroy the sonic blasters. She is Tchalla's sister, and is able to get a herb to heal his brother before all the herbs are destroyed because Killmonger ordered all herbs to be destroyed.
CIA Agent Ross that was in the Air Force shows off those skills while flying a Jet because he does shoot Wakanda Jets to prevent persons from giving Wakanda weapons to oppressed persons. He also did sacrifice himself to protect Nakia.
Wakanda technology easily healed the bullet wounds.
Tchalla wants to help other countries but not with violence which is Killmonger's solution.
MBaku is altered to a ally not a super villain because he did move a comatose Tchalla out of a waterfall and put him under ice so he would survive since He did owe him a debt Tchalla sparing his life in the ritual combat. Also him and his Tribe do fight in the climax to help Black Panther and others defeat WKabi's army.
All are likable unique characters.
Impressive special effects with Tchalla putting on what looks like shoes only the bottom of shoes and the rest appears.
Also Wakanda technology able to project cars, Jets, etc being used in a location while in another location.
Somehow a person can quickly alter to a Black Panther suit.
Also bright lights when Black Panther absorbs kinetic energy shown on his costume.
Terrific breathtaking locations
Wakanda has high buildings including multiple Skyscrapers. It seems similar to Chicago in I Robot no ghetto or slums also the advanced transportation because of trains moving at a great speed.
Agent Ross comments he's never seen trains this efficient.
The Waterfalls where the ritual combat is beautiful and great.
The mountains have a high amount of snow also wind.
While in the Ancestoral Plane Tchaka tells Tchalla he is a good man with a good character. We see a flashback from Captain America Civil War showing how he died which is showing continuity and informing persons how he died if persons didn't see Captain America Civil War.
That is telling with but not a flaw because it is shown in the movie. Tchalla defeating Mbaku in ritual combat persuades him to submit rather than die.
After Klaw is extracted Black Panther decides not to pursue him instead Take Agent Ross to Wakanda so he can be healed, and won't die which happens.
He knows that Agent Ross sacraficed himself to protect Nakia and isn't persuaded to leave a wounded man that choose to sacrifice himself.
He does ask Mbaku for help to defeat Killmonger and his army which he declines because of past Wakanda Kings that haven't asked for his help.
He and his Tribe got involved no doubt after knowing it is what is right after being told of Killmonger's goal, and most likely he is happy that Tchalla is a different Wakanda King since he asked him for his help.
He does offer Killmonger a opportunity to be healed but Killmonger not wanting the bondage of Incarceration chooses to remove the knife and die a free man.
Also he does bring Killmonger after Black Panther defeated him in the climax to the surface to see the sunrise in Wakanda which is what Killmonger wanted.
The no hostility with the protagonist and antagonist after the climax seems dejavu Star Wars Return of the Jedi with Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
He talks about Wakanda in a post credits scene Wakanda will be sharing it's technology with other Countries and The true nature of Wakanda.
The outreach center created by TChalla in Oakland that will be run by Nakia and Shuri.
Both sides of the argument shown for why Wakanda should get involved helping other countries and why they haven't including the technology they used could be used for evil.
Great clothes for the Wakandans, and if it's recognizable African clothes I assume because Wakanda is a combination of African cultures.
Killmonger (Erik Stevens) is sympathetic when he is a kid because he was abandoned, his dad was killed, and had to grow up in 90s Oakland no doubt experiencing prejudices.
Not a sympathetic super villain You don't agree with his methods to accomplish his good goal but still understand him which makes him a great character and a great complex super villain.
His goal is give the oppressed persons Wakanda weapons so they can fight back and won't be oppressed. He is a Well Intentioned Extremist that seems dejavu of Baron Zemo and Magneto.
NJobu his dad did assist Klaw by stealing vibranium from Wakanda and had the goal to sell the Wakanda weapons to oppressed persons so they could fight back and Wakanda could become a Empire.
The good characters have done bad or terrible things showing the duality nature style characters which Marvel is known for both Villains and Heroes.
Zuri a undercover tells TChaka that that NJobu has been helping Klaw bu stealing vibranium from Wakanda.
NJobu doesn't want to be judged by the Wakanda council which is why he attacks Zuri that forces TChaka to kill him.
Also TChaka ordered Zuri to lie that NJobu disappeared and left behind his American son Erik. Erik is not a full blooded Wakandan because his mother is American.
TChalla had to confront Zuri to hear the truth about NJobu, and is told NJobu plan was share Wakanda technology with people that are African Descent so they could conquer their oppressors. Also since Erik isn't a full blooded Wakandan he is abandoned not brought to Wakanda.
Foreshadowing Bucky Barnes is called White Wolf shown in a after credits scene.
Exciting Great Climax
Killmonger using a Black Panther suit fights Wakanda Body Guards, the Wakanda Body Guards fight WKabi and his army, also Mbaku and the Jabari get involved to fight WKabi and his army, Black Panther wrecks a Wakanda Jet, Black Panther fighting the Evil Black Panther Killmonger on Wakanda ground, and on train tracks with Black Panther able to stab him with a knife because his suit is disrupted.
Okoye has the advantage vs WKabi that would kill him for her Country after asking her that direct question he sees the futility and no doubt not wanting to die WKabi shows the surrender action by Standing down along with his army.
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Finally watched this last night. Good. Not Great. 7.5/10
I thought the CG was wonky at times. Klaws missing arm kept taking me out of it. And the Rhinos looked bad in the finale battle.
I wasnt overly impressed with Killmonger either. First of all, he still talked like some street thug which made it hard to take him seriously vs a King. If his plan was to deliver a dead Klaw and challenge TChalla for the throne then what was the point of working with Klaw to begin with. Granted it gave us the cool Casino scene but it just seemed like a pointless pair up.
That said, I still enjoyed it. The use of tech was super cool. I like that they incorporated a lot of elements from the comics like the Necropolis.
I thought the CG was wonky at times. Klaws missing arm kept taking me out of it. And the Rhinos looked bad in the finale battle.
I wasnt overly impressed with Killmonger either. First of all, he still talked like some street thug which made it hard to take him seriously vs a King. If his plan was to deliver a dead Klaw and challenge TChalla for the throne then what was the point of working with Klaw to begin with. Granted it gave us the cool Casino scene but it just seemed like a pointless pair up.
That said, I still enjoyed it. The use of tech was super cool. I like that they incorporated a lot of elements from the comics like the Necropolis.
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His backstory and motivation was solid. His dialogue and cadence delivering his dialogue was terrible. I just dont see a former Seal/CIA special operative saying Wassup? when TChalla returned to challenge him. He acted more like he was a member of the WuTang Clan than a truly threatening villain.
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Finally got to watch this. Very good movie,visually stunning. I didn't find it to be as good as a lot of people made it out to be,but maybe I was biased based on that. Personally I would put it behind Winter Soldier and the first Avengers. May take some flak for that but I still thought it was a really good movie
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