#BoycottNRA

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InVOLuntary said:
But when those laws are broken we don't punish the ones that haven't broken the law. I really like your car analogy. We don't take law abiding citizens cars away because others are irresponsible and abuse the laws, we punish the ones that break the law.
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We're not punishing anyone that's not breaking a law anymore than we're punishing the person by making him drive 15 in a school zone.

Read it slowly.....we are not punishing anyone by banning an AR 15 anymore than we are punishing people by having a 15 mph speed limit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Luther, this is the coat rack in my office. Would you be triggered or scared to come in?
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Neither. I would be completely indifferent, but I would say "cool coat rack" because knowing that it is probably important to you, that would be the polite thing to say.
 
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luthervol said:
We're not punishing anyone that's not breaking a law anymore than we're punishing the person by making him drive 15 in a school zone.

Read it slowly.....we are not punishing anyone by banning an AR 15 anymore than we are punishing people by having a 15 mph speed limit.
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You can't be this dense, ok, maybe you can. The speed limit is = to the law that you can't murder someone. The car = to the AR-15. The law (no speeding in school zone, don't murder somebody) is behavior the object (The car, the AR-15) is the means to break the law. We don't take other everybody's cars away when one guy breaks the law same as we shouldn't take people's firearms away when another breaks the law. For God's sake you don't even understand your own analogy.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You can't be this dense, ok, maybe you can. The speed limit is = to the law that you can't murder someone. The car = to the AR-15. The law (no speeding in school zone, don't murder somebody) is behavior the object (The car, the AR-15) is the means to break the law. We don't take other everybody's cars away when one guy breaks the law same as we shouldn't take people's firearms away when another breaks the law. For God's sake you don't even understand your own analogy.
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Well he is terrible at them.
 
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luthervol said:
What to you think comes under the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" umbrella?

Anything? What types of things?

If there were a conflict between these 3 and 2A, which do you think the founding fathers intended to trump the other?
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Those are individual rights that every person is born with. An individual owning a gun does not conflict with any of those 3 items.
 
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So now that the left is applauding a few businesses for cutting off benefits for the NRA, does this mean they also support cake bakers in their right to choose who they provide benefits to?
 
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TheDeeble said:
So now that the left is applauding a few businesses for cutting off benefits for the NRA, does this mean they also support cake bakers in their right to choose who they provide benefits to?
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Well this is one out of left field. No business is refusing to do business with NRA members. Various companies just ended the discount program they had with the NRA. In other words, NRA members no longer get special treatment, but they can still use Avis, Delta, etc. on the same basis as a member of the public. The cake baker in Colorado is just flat out refusing to provide a service he ostensibly offers to the public at large (wedding cake baking) to homosexuals. How are these comparable?
 
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evillawyer said:
Well this is one out of left field. No business is refusing to do business with NRA members. Various companies just ended the discount program they had with the NRA. In other words, NRA members no longer get special treatment, but they can still use Avis, Delta, etc. on the same basis as a member of the public. The cake baker in Colorado is just flat out refusing to provide a service he ostensibly offers to the public at large (wedding cake baking) to homosexuals. How are these comparable?
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So "lawyer" if the baker had put up a sign that said specifically we have the right to refuse service to homosexuals. Would that have been their out?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You can't be this dense, ok, maybe you can. The speed limit is = to the law that you can't murder someone. The car = to the AR-15. The law (no speeding in school zone, don't murder somebody) is behavior the object (The car, the AR-15) is the means to break the law. We don't take other everybody's cars away when one guy breaks the law same as we shouldn't take people's firearms away when another breaks the law. For God's sake you don't even understand your own analogy.
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The restrictions on how fast you can drive = the restrictions on what type of arms you can buy.

Society has the authority to have legal restrictions in the name of public safety. Be it speed limits or the types of arms that are legal.

You may the one suffering from excessive density.

I'll try to break things down to a more elementary level for you in the future.

Summary: society has laws and regulations for the good of society.....these include restrictions on type of arms.....and speed limits.
 
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Georgia gubernatorial candidates are now falling all over themselves trying to get out front on an effort to kill a $50 million jet fuel tax credit for Delta that was going to sail through the legislature before last week's announcement.

Apparently the logic of ending discounts cuts both ways.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
So "lawyer" if the baker had put up a sign that said specifically we have the right to refuse service to homosexuals. Would that have been their out?
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Sorry, there is no connection here. In one case, special treatment is ending and NRA members are back on the same footing as everyone else. In the other case, access to a service that everyone else has access is being denied to a subgroup. What is so hard to understand about that?
 
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evillawyer said:
Sorry, there is no connection here. In one case, special treatment is ending and NRA members are back on the same footing as everyone else. In the other case, access to a service that everyone else has access is being denied to a subgroup. What is so hard to understand about that?
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No shirt, no shoes, no service is a fairly standard sign used all over the country. Based on the bakers case hypothetically a person could walk into a store and not be denied service because everyone else with shirts and shoes has access?
 
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GAVol said:
Georgia gubernatorial candidates are now falling all over themselves trying to get out front on an effort to kill a $50 million jet fuel tax credit for Delta that was going to sail through the legislature before last week's announcement.

Apparently the logic of ending discounts cuts both ways.
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They could move HQ to another state with more favorable fuel tax rate and take jobs with them. Delta is the largest private employer in the state of GA. Georgia needs them to stay. Don't plan on getting the Amazon deal either.
 
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evillawyer said:
Well this is one out of left field. No business is refusing to do business with NRA members. Various companies just ended the discount program they had with the NRA. In other words, NRA members no longer get special treatment, but they can still use Avis, Delta, etc. on the same basis as a member of the public. The cake baker in Colorado is just flat out refusing to provide a service he ostensibly offers to the public at large (wedding cake baking) to homosexuals. How are these comparable?
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If the individuals are being refused all services then I agree there's a difference and wouldn't apply here. From my understanding the Colorado baker was willing to sell the couple a generic cake off the wall, just not a custom made one specifically tailored to a gay wedding.

Similar to NRA members the couple could still purchase a cake from the shop as members of the public, just not get special treatment.
 
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Delta stepped in it on this one as they seem to be the highest profile company being discussed among all the others that ended the discount. Delta is in the business of flying people from point A to point B. That's the only business they need to be in. If they choose to end a discount, they would be better served with a little passage of time and ending said discount with the absence of a press release that says, " hey, look, see what side we're on?!" I don't see this necessarily as "what" they did, but more in "how" they did it. Now they may have likely taken a $50M hit to their bottom line. That affects profit sharing to 80,000 employees as well. Politics is not smart business if you're in a business other than politics.
 
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luthervol said:
The restrictions on how fast you can drive = the restrictions on what type of arms you can buy.

Society has the authority to have legal restrictions in the name of public safety. Be it speed limits or the types of arms that are legal.

You may the one suffering from excessive density.

I'll try to break things down to a more elementary level for you in the future.

Summary: society has laws and regulations for the good of society.....these include restrictions on type of arms.....and speed limits.
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Your analogy sucked so bad it came back to bite you. I can't believe you still are clinging to it.


We also have this thing called the second amendment. That constitutional amendment says you have to keep your grimy communist hands off my guns.

Oh, and by the way, you definitely chose the correct avi. When you change it maybe Gilligan, or Goofy.
 
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luthervol said:
The restrictions on how fast you can drive = the restrictions on what type of arms you can buy.

Society has the authority to have legal restrictions in the name of public safety. Be it speed limits or the types of arms that are legal.

You may the one suffering from excessive density.

I'll try to break things down to a more elementary level for you in the future.

Summary: society has laws and regulations for the good of society.....these include restrictions on type of arms.....and speed limits.
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Except it's not society determining those speed limits. It's the government.
 
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Mick said:
They could move HQ to another state with more favorable fuel tax rate and take jobs with them. Delta is the largest private employer in the state of GA. Georgia needs them to stay. Don't plan on getting the Amazon deal either.
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They're not going anywhere. ATL is the main hub and busiest airport in the world. The Delta campus is sprawling and all the simulators are there. A move like that would be catastrophic for the company and unbelievably costly.
 
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Mick said:
They could move HQ to another state with more favorable fuel tax rate and take jobs with them. Delta is the largest private employer in the state of GA. Georgia needs them to stay. Don't plan on getting the Amazon deal either.
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And don't think for one minute another airline would jump right in. Atlanta is the capital of the South and airlines would kill for that hub.
 
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Vol737 said:
Delta stepped in it on this one as they seem to be the highest profile company being discussed among all the others that ended the discount. Delta is in the business of flying people from point A to point B. That's the only business they need to be in. If they choose to end a discount, they would be better served with a little passage of time and ending said discount with the absence of a press release that says, " hey, look, see what side we're on?!" I don't see this necessarily as "what" they did, but more in "how" they did it. Now they may have likely taken a $50M hit to their bottom line. That affects profit sharing to 80,000 employees as well. Politics is not smart business if you're in a business other than politics.
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Not only that but add in lost business. Those discounts likely made them more competitive with other airlines. Even if NRA members didn't do their own boycott, they'll look to other airlines that might be less expensive to fly.
 
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Vol737 said:
Delta stepped in it on this one as they seem to be the highest profile company being discussed among all the others that ended the discount. Delta is in the business of flying people from point A to point B. That's the only business they need to be in. If they choose to end a discount, they would be better served with a little passage of time and ending said discount with the absence of a press release that says, " hey, look, see what side we're on?!" I don't see this necessarily as "what" they did, but more in "how" they did it. Now they may have likely taken a $50M hit to their bottom line. That affects profit sharing to 80,000 employees as well. Politics is not smart business if you're in a business other than politics.
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As is usual the PR/Sales people do whatever they want without talking to the finance people. They are so desperate to be first responders there’s no time to analyze the consequences of what they want to do.
 
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