Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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NorthDallas40 said:
And I would submit if the school doors are open legally they are required to get their asses in those classroom seats. If the school wants to organize a field trip or something like that so be it that’s a school function. If not they belong in school.
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I bet the school encourages the students to make their voices heard.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
When you say the things we are doing are failing, do you mean gun free zones?
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You listed one thing. I'm saying the sum total of what we are doing is not working. The assumption in your selection of the one is that if people could walk around with guns, there would be less gun violence.

That you would even suggest that tells me we have nothing to talk about as you are by definition a moron.



LouderVol said:
Can't wait until the next terrorist strikes or illegal kills someone. #getsomethingdone
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Those are different things. If a terrorist strikes and you can trace it to a single wrong decision by some government agency and can offer a legal and constitutional solution, I'm all ears.

When an illegal immigrant kills someone, you default to it being BECAUSE he is an illegal immigrant. In the sense that if he did not exist, you are correct. But typically you can connect that to a whole lot of causes, and if you fixed one it would not have happened, and so its foolish to focus on the one thing. Of course, you cannot comprehend that, because you are too lazy to go beyond the fact of immigration status, since that is what you are laying in wait to blame.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You listed one thing. I'm saying the sum total of what we are doing is not working. The assumption in your selection of the one is that if people could walk around with guns, there would be less gun violence.

That you would even suggest that tells me we have nothing to talk about as you are by definition a moron.






Those are different things. If a terrorist strikes and you can trace it to a single wrong decision by some government agency and can offer a legal and constitutional solution, I'm all ears.

When an illegal immigrant kills someone, you default to it being BECAUSE he is an illegal immigrant. In the sense that if he did not exist, you are correct. But typically you can connect that to a whole lot of causes, and if you fixed one it would not have happened, and so its foolish to focus on the one thing. Of course, you cannot comprehend that, because you are too lazy to go beyond the fact of immigration status, since that is what you are laying in wait to blame.
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More lives would be saved.

When’s the last time the Bass Pro Shop was attacked? What about an NRA event? What about your local Olive Garden or Waffle House (occasional ass whoopings out back at the dumpster don’t count)? Hmm, find it strange that gun free zones are the ones perpetually attacked?
 
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ok ok ok, new idea. One side wants to punish ALL guns for the actions of a few, while the other side has protected the innocent guns from the bigotry and the stereotyping of the first side. But both sides agree something needs to be done. So lets punish the guilty gun (as well as the person who it violence raped into using it). Any gun caught in the act of a crime gets melted down/shredded and the scraps have to go to some non-gun non profit. maybe something set up for the victims.

also we need to stop performance shaming the guns with such labels "assault weapons" "military styled" or "weapons of war". these terms get applied too readily on those who have no connection to any crime by those who admittedly hate them. every gun deserves the same protections as the others while still being respected for its differences.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You listed one thing. I'm saying the sum total of what we are doing is not working. The assumption in your selection of the one is that if people could walk around with guns, there would be less gun violence.

That you would even suggest that tells me we have nothing to talk about as you are by definition a moron.






Those are different things. If a terrorist strikes and you can trace it to a single wrong decision by some government agency and can offer a legal and constitutional solution, I'm all ears.

When an illegal immigrant kills someone, you default to it being BECAUSE he is an illegal immigrant. In the sense that if he did not exist, you are correct. But typically you can connect that to a whole lot of causes, and if you fixed one it would not have happened, and so its foolish to focus on the one thing. Of course, you cannot comprehend that, because you are too lazy to go beyond the fact of immigration status, since that is what you are laying in wait to blame.
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So you’re against gun free zones? Would armed guards or even properly vetted and trained teachers be acceptable to you?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Septic talk about them any time you want. But don’t act like right after the event most dialogue is emotionally driven and that kind of dialog is a piss poor basis for policy. That is my stance anyway.
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The flaw in your argument is that it's ALWAYS right after a mass shooting event nowadays.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The only policy that needs any action is to abolish the gun free zone regulation. Then let the schools and parents of the local areas decide.
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I agree with this. And if we in TX decide to arm our schools to the teeth and say NY doesn’t. And a N.Y. school gets attacked. Then the feds need to STFU to TX and tell N.Y. to get their **** together!
 
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Septic said:
The flaw in your argument is that it's ALWAYS right after a mass shooting event nowadays.
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What flaw? I said talk as much as you want. But I’m saying policy decisions based on emotional arguments is a bad idea. That was my intent anyway. You disagreeing with that?

Edit: wait are you saying we only talk about them after these events happen?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You listed one thing. I'm saying the sum total of what we are doing is not working. The assumption in your selection of the one is that if people could walk around with guns, there would be less gun violence.

That you would even suggest that tells me we have nothing to talk about as you are by definition a moron.






Those are different things. If a terrorist strikes and you can trace it to a single wrong decision by some government agency and can offer a legal and constitutional solution, I'm all ears.

When an illegal immigrant kills someone, you default to it being BECAUSE he is an illegal immigrant. In the sense that if he did not exist, you are correct. But typically you can connect that to a whole lot of causes, and if you fixed one it would not have happened, and so its foolish to focus on the one thing. Of course, you cannot comprehend that, because you are too lazy to go beyond the fact of immigration status, since that is what you are laying in wait to blame.
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man, make your last paragraph about guns and you are also spot on.

When a GUN lol kills someone, you default to it being BECAUSE it is a GUN. In the sense that if the GUN not exist, you are correct. But typically you can connect that to a whole lot of causes, and if you fixed one it would not have happened, and so its foolish to focus on the one thing. Of course, you cannot comprehend that, because you are too lazy to go beyond the fact of the GUN status, since that is what you are laying in wait to blame

and by the way I default to blaming the person as an individual. If I find out a government agency is negligent in allowing that person to proceed with their doing, FBI in this shooting or ICE in the case of an illegal, they get some blame. but not blame for the actual crime. If there is something in place that should have stopped the action, in both cases there were, and the government knew, they did, and did nothing/didn't stop it. I wouldn't put my faith into MORE GOVERNMENT. just like in this case I wouldn't put my trust into more drugged (legal) up racist teenagers.

you know what it is behind 100% of every murder? A person. that's all murders, gun, no gun. 1 victim, 17 victims. So if you want to join me in caring and actually wanting to stop murders help us fix the people. or at least identify and stop who they are before hand.

lack of guns won't stop murder. as has been posted our homicide rate is lower than the world's average, even with all the guns waiting to kill people. to me that clearly says that guns aren't the problem.
 
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I have not been keeping up with this thread.

I assume the question "what do we do about it?" is one of the main themes.

I'd imagine someone has thrown out "ban assault rifles". I'm curious, what do people who want assault rifles banned propose we do with all the ones already in circulation?

Nothing?
Buy Back?
Confiscate?
 
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85SugarVol said:
I have not been keeping up with this thread.

I assume the question "what do we do about it?" is one of the main themes.

I'd imagine someone has thrown out "ban assault rifles". I'm curious, what do people who want assault rifles banned propose we do with all the ones already in circulation?

Nothing?
Buy Back?
Confiscate?
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The government buys them back.

AND THE RICH PAY FOR IT!!!!!!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I agree with this. And if we in TX decide to arm our schools to the teeth and say NY doesn’t. And a N.Y. school gets attacked. Then the feds need to STFU to TX and tell N.Y. to get their **** together!
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its also impossible to compare the two. just because this lone attack in Florida doesn't mean the other 49 states were doing it right or better. you would have to take a real long look at it to see if it made a statistical difference. you would need to go even further and look at break downs by region to see if any state is an outlier to its neighbors and not just the country in general.
 
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