TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

[Mick]

Would you stop bringing facts into this?!

It's embarrassing.

I suppose Trump never spread conspiracies against Obama either? He was just gaining support with the Right wing nuts for a presidential bid with his birther nonsense. The facts embarrass you all the time.

 

[LouderVol]

I suppose Trump never spread conspiracies against Obama either? He was just gaining support with the Right wing nuts for a presidential bid with his birther nonsense. The facts embarrass you all the time.

the fact that Hilary (actually her team) started the birther nonsense?

 

[Vol_Doc]

everyone wanted the dude fired. First Trump was calling for his ouster before the election. Then he chimed in on Hilary, and Comey was then on the dems chopping block. and then he was investigating Trump again and he was on another chopping block. which is it? everyone is pretty selective of their outrage/defense of the man. but clearly he was doing something wrongish (not illegal) that both sides have wanted him fired for a while.

This pretty much sums it up. Dems wanted him out until he went after Trump. Then Trump wanted him out. Washington politics as usual.

 

[Vol0725]

I suppose Trump never spread conspiracies against Obama either? He was just gaining support with the Right wing nuts for a presidential bid with his birther nonsense. The facts embarrass you all the time.

Interesting facts on the genesis of this conspiracy...

In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin, who painted Obama as a closet Muslim in 2004. That spiraled into a concerted effort by conspiracy theorists to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace and religion — and essentially paint him as un-American.

Much of the insinuation that Clinton had a hand in birtherism traces to the role of her then-senior strategist Mark Penn, who issued a memo in 2007 suggesting that Clinton emphasize Obama’s upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia and paint him as fundamentally un-American. The memo never questioned Obama’s citizenship but did suggest highlighting his “lack of American roots.”

“[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited,” Penn wrote. “I cannot imagine electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”

 

[tennvols77]

the fact that Hilary (actually her team) started the birther nonsense?

I don't know Mick, seemingly this is the "birth" and start of the birther movement was it not? Anyone willing to dig to find out where the "issue" first arose/spoke of/came from because memory serves me correct it was from the hildabeast and her people. Oh well, not really important right now.

Anytime I hear this wench's name it makes me wonder about the existence of God, because if there is a God then there is Heaven, which means there is a hell, and if there is a Hell, I get a little satisfaction in thinking she'll get hers. Sorry off topic back at it boys......go.

 

[tennvols77]

Interesting facts on the genesis of this conspiracy...

In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin, who painted Obama as a closet Muslim in 2004. That spiraled into a concerted effort by conspiracy theorists to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace and religion — and essentially paint him as un-American.

Much of the insinuation that Clinton had a hand in birtherism traces to the role of her then-senior strategist Mark Penn, who issued a memo in 2007 suggesting that Clinton emphasize Obama’s upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia and paint him as fundamentally un-American. The memo never questioned Obama’s citizenship but did suggest highlighting his “lack of American roots.”

“[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited,” Penn wrote. “I cannot imagine electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”

I stand corrected.

 

[lawgator1]

The Russian meddling started in May 2014, long before Trump announced his bid. Let’s see here... Obama was Prez and decided not to do anything about this Russia meddling and they were targeting Hillary....ya know the most qualified person to ever run for president. Lol

Would you stop bringing facts into this?!

It's embarrassing.

Great point!










But of course completely irrelevant to the question of whether Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians, the Russians are blackmailing or could blackmail Trump, or Trump has engaged in money laundering or other financial crimes coming to light in this process.

Also simply means that the Trump administration should be doing a lot to punish Russia for what it did and taking action to prevent it from happening again. What's that? He has done nothing ? He has not blamed Russia for anything? He has not even acknowledged what everyone else says is true, and that they are going to try to do it again? He hasn't even followed the law passed by Congress overwhelmingly?

 

[Grand Vol]

Great point!

I know. I'm awesome like that.

But of course completely irrelevant to the question of whether Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians, the Russians are blackmailing or could blackmail Trump, or Trump has engaged in money laundering or other financial crimes coming to light in this process.

So much for the strictly Trump-Russia collusion angle.

You know you're going to lose regardless.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

Funny how facts "change" as time passes.

Trump now accuses Obama of saying the election COULD NOT be rigged. Yet, in October, 2016, Trump was himself claiming the election COULD be rigged, and he wouldn't say if he'd respect the election results because it was supposedly "RIGGED".

Now, Trump is saying the election WAS NOT rigged, which is what Obama had said all along, yet somehow, Obama has done something wrong according to Trump?!?!

Non sequitur.

REALITY: Trump is the Queen of flip flops. If he had lost the election, he would have likely been a World class *******, challenged the results, and cried that it was "RIGGED".

In contrast, all evidence to date suggests that if there were any ATTEMPTS to rig the election, they were by members of his campaign who have consistently LIED about their REAL CONTACT with Russians including WIKILEAKS.

Let Mueller do his job. Don't fire him or pressure him. Let the chips fall where they may regarding potential collusion, obstruction, money laundering, whatever.

I will accept Muellers findings, period. Will Trump? Will you?

 

[hog88]

Funny how facts "change" as time passes.

Trump now accuses Obama of saying the election COULD NOT be rigged. Yet, in October, 2016, Trump was himself claiming the election COULD be rigged, and he wouldn't say if he'd respect the election results because it was supposedly "RIGGED".

Now, Trump is saying the election WAS NOT rigged, which is what Obama had said all along, yet somehow, Obama has done something wrong according to Trump?!?!

Non sequitur.

REALITY: Trump is the Queen of flip flops. If he had lost the election, he would have likely been a World class *******, challenged the results, and cried that it was "RIGGED".

In contrast, all evidence to date suggests that if there were any ATTEMPTS to rig the election, they were by members of his campaign who have consistently LIED about their REAL CONTACT with Russians including WIKILEAKS.

Let Mueller do his job. Don't fire him or pressure him. Let the chips fall where they may regarding potential collusion, obstruction, money laundering, whatever.

I will accept Muellers findings, period. Will Trump? Will you?

It's time for Muller to **** or get off the pot and quit wasting millions of dollars.

If Mullers findings show clearly that Trump or his team were in cahoots with the Russians yes I'll accept them. If his findings are years old financial shenanigans completely unrelated to the campaign, his election or Russian influence, no I will not.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

It's time for Muller to **** or get off the pot and quit wasting millions of dollars.

If Mullers findings show clearly that Trump or his team were in cahoots with the Russians yes I'll accept them. If his findings are years old financial shenanigans completely unrelated to the campaign, his election or Russian influence, no I will not.

What about Obstruction of Justice? This seems the most likely outcome.

 

[hog88]

What about Obstruction of Justice? This seems the most likely outcome.

No. Any charge of obstruction would be such a reach I doubt many people would accept that. Obstruction of justice is a nonstarter.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

No. Any charge of obstruction would be such a reach I doubt many people would accept that. Obstruction of justice is a nonstarter.

I would accept it, as would the majority of rational Americans who believe NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

So, you similarly believe that Nixon was wrongfully prosecuted and should not have resigned? Same charge ya know?

 

[Vol0725]

What about Obstruction of Justice? This seems the most likely outcome.

How did he obstruct justice as president?

I know you desperately want Trump to fail, you have deep hatred and vitriol for the man...but will you answer my question with a fact-based allegation?

I'm trying to help you along, as I believe in equal justice under the law for 'everyone' ...Google it if you have too...try "how did Trump obstruct justice"...let's start an fact-based debate.

 

[hog88]

I would accept it, as would the majority of rational Americans who believe NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

So, you similarly believe that Nixon was wrongfully prosecuted and should not have resigned? Same charge ya know?

Charging hm with obstruction of justice would be MAKING UP LAW, not enforcing it.

Rational Americans are getting tired of this and will turn on Muller should he come out with trumped up charges. Hell my MIL who is a dyed in the wool Dem, never voted for a R in her life and worshiped Hillary as royalty sees this as a witch hunt similar to Starr's investigation.

Edit: There was actual evidence against Nixon.

 

[Vol0725]

I would accept it, as would the majority of rational Americans who believe NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

So, you similarly believe that Nixon was wrongfully prosecuted and should not have resigned? Same charge ya know?

Do you believe the Hillary email scandal should have been handle at the 7th floor of the FBI, or at one of many competent outside field offices?

Do you think it's possible, had that happened and you had an honest investigation (not writing an exoneration 2 months before you start an investigation and interview 17 key witnesses) that a grand jury would have been impaneled and she would have been convicted of crimes for her blatant obstruction of justice and violations of 18 U.S.C. Section 793 in her transmission of classified information through her unsecured server with President Obama’s blessing....well, of course that could never happen. If she's guilty, Obama is guilty.

Please don't give us that NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW crap, the American people are smarter than that...come on man!

 

[OuterBanksVol]

Charging hm with obstruction of justice would be MAKING UP LAW, not enforcing it.

Rational Americans are getting tired of this and will turn on Muller should he come out with trumped up charges. Hell my MIL who is a dyed in the wool Dem, never voted for a R in her life and worshiped Hillary as royalty sees this as a witch hunt similar to Starr's investigation.

Edit: There was actual evidence against Nixon.

Lawdy Hog youre a mess.

Do you actually understand OOJ charges? Or do you deny the existence of Nixon's "smoking gun" audiotape?

"...In late July 1974, the White House released the subpoenaed tapes. One of those tapes was the so-called "smoking gun"[35] tape, from June 23, 1972, six days after the Watergate break-in. In that tape, Nixon agrees that administration officials should approach Richard Helms, Director of the CIA, and Vernon A. Walters, Deputy Director, and ask them to request L. Patrick Gray, Acting Director of the FBI, to halt the Bureau's investigation into the Watergate break-in on the grounds that it was a national security matter. The special prosecutor felt that Nixon, in so agreeing, had entered into a criminal conspiracy whose goal was the obstruction of justice."

Sound familiar?

 

[Vol0725]

CREEPS ON A MISSION: Michael Horowitz is really Investigating the Investigators
posted by Sidney Powell - 1.14.18

Sidney Powell, Attorney & Author of LICENSED TO LIE: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice licensedtolie.com

Since at least July 2016, the upper echelon of the FBI and the Department of Justice began a stealth operation—with the complicity if not instigation of President Obama—to taint and destroy Candidate Trump with a concocted “Russia collusion” narrative.

Michael Horowitz, the Inspector General of the Department of Justice, has been running a little-watched parallel investigation that is already producing results—when he is not manipulated or overborn by Robert Mueller.

His name is not familiar to most Americans, but Mr. Horowitz has played an important role since President Obama named him Inspector General (IG) for the Department of Justice in 2012.

Congress mandated the position of IG for every major federal agency. The 72 IGs work on behalf of the taxpayers as independent watchdogs over their respective agencies.

If you think the IG position is not important, remember this: Remarkably, President Obama did not appoint a permanent one for the State Department during Mrs. Clinton’s entire tenure. When John Kerry took over as Secretary of State, the newly appointed IG found and disclosed that Mrs. Clinton used an illegal secret server, and they immediately identified classified material in the first random sample of only 40 documents.

Mr. Horowitz already deserves kudos for trying to do his job at the Justice Department and obtain information from the administration that appointed him. Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch stymied his efforts at every turn. Their defiance of his Congressionally-mandated duties was so egregious he and 46 other IGs wrote a letter to Congress complaining of the Obama administration’s obstruction.

So much for Mr. Obama’s claim of having “the most transparent administration ever.”

Sally Yates, who was the Number Two person at DOJ, blocked Mr. Horowitz from oversight of the National Security Division of the Department of Justice. Notably, that is the division that worked with the FBI on the Steele dossier and the FISA “warrant” to create the “Russia collusion” pack of lies—and who knows what else.

Since President Trump’s inauguration, however, Mr. Horowitz has been somewhat more successful in obtaining information. For almost a year, he has been investigating how Mr. Comey, the FBI and Department of Justice handled the issue of Mrs. Clinton’s emails and matters that may be related to that.

Meanwhile, within the intelligence community, Admiral Mike Rogers, director of the National Security Agency [NSA], discovered so many violations of the surveillance program that he had to make significant changes and report the problems to Congress. Mr. Horowitz has been following up on those, and he may very well report pervasive and systematic abuses of that extraordinary power by the elite of the Obama FBI and DOJ.

Mr. Horowitz discovered the 10,000 text messages between now infamous FBI operatives Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Ms. Page was an FBI/DOJ attorney serving as a special assistant to Deputy FBI Director Andrew “Memory-Impaired” McCabe, as well as mistress to Counter-Intelligence Agent Peter Strzok. Many of these players—Page, Strzok, McCabe, FBI General Counsel Baker and Mary Jacoby, the wife of Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson—visited the White House throughout the time they were cooking up the “Russia-collusion” concoction.

Mr. Strzok was at the epicenter of the farce of an “investigation” of Mrs. Clinton for her blatant obstruction of justice and violations of 18 U.S.C. Section 793 in her transmission of classified information through her unsecured server with President Obama’s blessing. Mr. Strzok rewrote Director Comey’s remarks to remove language that effectively indicted Mrs. Clinton under that very statute. Mr. Strzok ambush-interviewed General Michael Flynn shortly after the Inauguration, and Mr. Mueller conveniently chose Mr. Strzok to lead his investigators.

The few text messages revealed to the public so far make clear not only Strzok’s and Page’s vile disdain for candidate Donald Trump, but evidence their outright conspiracy to leak information to the press to foster the Russia collusion narrative, concoct the Steele dossier, obtain the FISA “warrant,” and create the stench of an investigation—all to impede Donald Trump’s election. If we ever get all of the evidence and truth, it will probably reveal that their “insurance policy”—if Mr. Trump was elected—began with the “collusion” concoction and built the groundwork for the appointment of a special prosecutor if Mr. Comey were to be fired.

Mr. Horowitz’s discovery of the Strzok-Page message-menage-a-trois so far has resulted in the secret removal of Agent Strzok from Mr. Mueller’s task force and now his reassignment within the FBI. The shocking disclosures have also prompted Ms. Page’s return to DOJ, FBI Deputy Director McCabe’s decision to retire in March, and longtime James Comey friend and colleague FBI General Counsel James Baker’s reassignment.

We should also thank Mr. Horowitz for the demotion of Department of Justice Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Ohr, whose wife Nellie worked on the Steele dossier with Fusion GPS. Mr. Ohr met secretly with them, and his “fingerprints” are likely all over the FISA applications to conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign based on contrived “evidence”.

These changes are a start toward draining the swamp—but nowhere near enough. Director Wray should have fired Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe and James Baker already, and Attorney General Sessions should have fired Bruce Ohr and Lisa Page. Conduct like theirs has no place in any Department—much less one purporting to represent Justice.

Has Mr. Horowitz found any evidence Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch were also complicit? That would explain why Ms. Yates barred him access to a National Security Division that was scheming with the FBI.

Who else in the Department of Justice and the FBI were conspiring with them to try to prevent President Trump’s election and then create a scenario or manufacture evidence to promote his impeachment? What about the head of the National Security Division within DOJ—John Carlin? What role did he play in all of this? And what about the FBI’s Counter-Intelligence Chief—Bill Priestap, whom Comey blamed for his own failure to make the legally required report to Congress of the FBI’s illicit FISA-related activities.

Mr. Horowitz may not have all of the answers. He is stymied in many ways by Mueller’s investigation, and it is likely there is still more evidence buried deep.

As I said on Hannity weeks ago, expect to see that we are not talking about “mission creep” by FBI, Department of Justice, Special Counsel Mueller and his task force; rather, the real problem is there are “creeps on a mission” to destroy the President. Stay tuned for more when Horowitz completes his report and testifies before Congress.

=-=-=-
Sidney Powell (@SidneyPowell1) was a federal prosecutor in three districts under nine U.S. attorneys from both political parties, then in private practice for more than 20 years. She is a past president of the Bar Association of the 5th Federal Circuit and of the American Academy of Appellate Lawyers. A veteran of 500 federal appeals, she published “Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice.”

She consulted with Arthur Andersen on appeal and represented one of the Merrill Executives.

She also serves as Senior Advisor to America First Policies and Senior Fellow for the London Center for Policy Research.

Is Mueller Investigation Mission Creep, or Creeps on a Mission? - YouTube

 

[hog88]

Lawdy Hog youre a mess.

Do you actually understand OOJ charges? Or do you deny the existence of Nixon's "smoking gun" audiotape?

"...In late July 1974, the White House released the subpoenaed tapes. One of those tapes was the so-called "smoking gun"[35] tape, from June 23, 1972, six days after the Watergate break-in. In that tape, Nixon agrees that administration officials should approach Richard Helms, Director of the CIA, and Vernon A. Walters, Deputy Director, and ask them to request L. Patrick Gray, Acting Director of the FBI, to halt the Bureau's investigation into the Watergate break-in on the grounds that it was a national security matter. The special prosecutor felt that Nixon, in so agreeing, had entered into a criminal conspiracy whose goal was the obstruction of justice."

Sound familiar?

No not at all. Nixon was privy to or involved in an actual crime that he actively tried to have covered up. There is no such alleged crime involving Trump or his associates.

OOJ charges would be a hailmary desperation move on Mullers part.

 

[theFallGuy]

How A Plea Reversal From Michael Flynn Could Uncover More Federal Corruption

 

[volfanjustin]

I would accept it, as would the majority of rational Americans who believe NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

So, you similarly believe that Nixon was wrongfully prosecuted and should not have resigned? Same charge ya know?

Of course you would

There were plenty of people above the law the last 8 years

 

[LouderVol]

Funny how facts "change" as time passes.

Trump now accuses Obama of saying the election COULD NOT be rigged. Yet, in October, 2016, Trump was himself claiming the election COULD be rigged, and he wouldn't say if he'd respect the election results because it was supposedly "RIGGED".

Now, Trump is saying the election WAS NOT rigged, which is what Obama had said all along, yet somehow, Obama has done something wrong according to Trump?!?!

Non sequitur.

REALITY: Trump is the Queen of flip flops. If he had lost the election, he would have likely been a World class *******, challenged the results, and cried that it was "RIGGED".

In contrast, all evidence to date suggests that if there were any ATTEMPTS to rig the election, they were by members of his campaign who have consistently LIED about their REAL CONTACT with Russians including WIKILEAKS.

Let Mueller do his job. Don't fire him or pressure him. Let the chips fall where they may regarding potential collusion, obstruction, money laundering, whatever.

I will accept Muellers findings, period. Will Trump? Will you?

I am going to point out the hypocrisy of Trump by pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama. No tampering, to there is tampering. great argument.

 

[Vol0725]

I am going to point out the hypocrisy of Trump by pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama. No tampering, to there is tampering. great argument.

Hot potato!

 

[Orangedogsrule]

I love to hear truth, not hyperbole accusations.

As president, remind us how he likely obstructed justice?
What are these other alledged crime(s) you’re eluding to?

*alluding -to be making indirect reference

* eluding - to be cleverly avoiding

two different things there

 

[Vol0725]

*alluding -to be making indirect reference

* eluding - to be cleverly avoiding

two different things there

good catch. alluding . thanks