Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

[zeppelin128]

And you notice none of the traditional gun grabbers comment on that idea.

Some people see gun control as the first step that needs to be taken. In a perfect world, in a country without our particularly violent/rebellious history, I'd say it might be a way to go. But that is not viable. The Founders deemed it important enough to place it on par with the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendment. Freedom from tyranny is paramount, and the 2A provides that avenue if ever needed.

I like to think we can protect our kids, ourselves, and our rights with sensible measures. But I don't think our political climate will allow it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

What were they supposed to do? It adheres to the letter of the law. The bump stock still requires one pull of the trigger to fire one round. If they want to regulate it further change the regs. For the record I have never seen one outside of a gun show, my guess is about the only people buying them are gun ranges that rent guns and charge you by the round.

I remember reading the approval letter so I did a quick search and found it. The stated intent is really disingenuous in my opinion (“assist persons with limited mobility to bump fire the AR-15 rifle”) but to your point per the literal definitions it complies as a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under the NFA. The message reads as “ we see what the hell youre doing but we can’t block it based on the literal definitions in the regulations.”

Fair enough but I still shake my damn head over it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And you notice none of the traditional gun grabbers comment on that idea.

They can’t as it circumvents their disarmament agenda while working to solve the specific problem. The only retort you will see is “that’s a good start to address a small part of the basic issue of GUN CONTROL” and most can’t even bring themselves to type that even.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

You can get out of the school, just not in. Emergency situations where you need to get out of the school would not be impacted.

This was specifically referenced for non-campus style schools. Campus style with multiple buildings would need to be looked at in a different light.

Also as far as chaos being at the front door, it’s not like a grocery store with things being delivered and needing in the school all day. That isn’t an issue imo

As far as your point in one friend flushing them out, that wouldn’t be possible as they wouldn’t be able to get into the school and flush out.

Oh really, how much food does it take to feed 4000 students breakfast and lunch. There are vending machines throughout schools. They order supplies constantly. All of the machinery that requires maintenance or repair. Then there are fund raising efforts which require still more vendors to have access and deliver items.

There is more to running a school than you might realize.

 

[lawgator1]

That's what I'm talking about.

Person to person via a dealer.

So the dealer runs the background check and takes a small commission or charges a small fee to do the paperwork? If so, that sounds smart. Plus the dealer can help the sale by doing a quick inspection to give some assurance to the buyer it is in proper working order.

 

[volfanCLT]

Oh really, how much food does it take to feed 4000 students breakfast and lunch. There are vending machines throughout schools. They order supplies constantly. All of the machinery that requires maintenance or repair. Then there are fund raising efforts which require still more vendors to have access and deliver items.

There is more to running a school than you might realize.

None of those are essential. Bring in the food before/after school. Do food/vending machines need to be filled during the 6-7 hour school day or can that take place the other 17-18 hours?

Don’t think there are a bulk of maintenence men working on printers and copiers during the day that the office people would be overwhelmed.

A little adjustment in time can go a long way. People/schools would be open to being flexible imo

 

[LouderVol]

My suggestion to Gallup would be to learn the law before formulating their questions.

10 bucks they don't get your point.

 

[Darkman]

Trump backs efforts to bolster FBI gun checks

Trump backs efforts to bolster FBI gun checks

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Again, none of those are essential. Bring in the food before/after school. Do food/vending machines need to be filled during the 6-7 hour school day or can that take place the other 17-18 hours?

Don’t think there are a bulk of maintenence men working on printers and copiers during the day that the office people would be overwhelmed.

Again, a little adjustment in time can go a long way. People/schools would be open to being flexible imo

So, in Pinellas County we have 74 elementary schools, 24 Middle schools, 18 high schools, 5 exceptional schools and 19 charter schools serving more than 100,000 students. The county awards the cafeteria contracts. Delivery companies do not deliver 24 hours per day nor are their people on campus 24/7. For the schools, the delivery drivers already avoid breakfast and lunch hours. Limiting them to times when the school was closed would make the task impossible.

Furthermore, it isn't just copy machines that need fixing. HVAC equipment, electrical issues, kitchen equipment, sound equipment, washing machines, dryers, floor waxers etc. A school is a much bigger operation than you think.

And the school is not empty 16-17 hours per day. At my daughter's high school there are quite literally hundreds of students on campus until 7-8 hours after the school day as ended. Drama, sporting teams, band, color guard etc.

 

[hog88]

But it doesn't, or you would be fighting those registration/title requirements also?

Pleas point to where I have to register or title a car or land transaction. You do for your own protection but there isn't requirement.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

Are you a member of the NRA? If yes, the blood of these kids is on your hands. Sorry, it's ugly and rude to say, but it's a fact.

The only reason these guns are legal is because of the NRA. You can stomp your feet, hold your breath, call me an *******... none of that changes this truth.

"...Sheriff Israel was honored to visit Anthony Borges, 15, in the hospital today. His family shared that Anthony was shot five times in Wednesday's school attack. Fortunately, he is recovering -- but has a long road ahead with more surgeries needed. Please join us in praying for the swift recovery of Anthony and all the other victims of this horrific criminal act."

 

[LouderVol]

No, no, no.

I completely agree with you that there are plenty of Democrats who are also owned by the NRA and have failed to act. Worse, have blocked common sense reforms.

It is my impression that with rare exception the entire GOP is in the NRA's pocket. Some more than others, e.g. Rubio getting $3 million from them. But I think you will be hard pressed to find more than ten GOP members of Congress who are not with the NRA on these issues.

As to the Dems, it seems likes its largely regional. Dems from the South in particular are also at fault here. Some from the midwest, too, and though rare if you find one from the western states you can count on them being NRA-backed as well, for the most part.

As to the NRA supporting review of rules or legislation, if they are, its because they've written it and its utter crap. They oppose anything effective, and a bill or regulation they support you can bet is a ruse to pretend to support something when in reality its a dodge.

or they know what the eff they are talking about, and not letting people who have no clue about what they are talking about make the laws.

before you go off on the rant, go ahead and pull the NRA and all lobbyists from Washington. make them actually think for themselves and stand on their own points.

 

[volfanCLT]

So, in Pinellas County we have 74 elementary schools, 24 Middle schools, 18 high schools, 5 exceptional schools and 19 charter schools serving more than 100,000 students. The county awards the cafeteria contracts. Delivery companies do not deliver 24 hours per day nor are their people on campus 24/7. For the schools, the delivery drivers already avoid breakfast and lunch hours. Limiting them to times when the school was closed would make the task impossible.

Furthermore, it isn't just copy machines that need fixing. HVAC equipment, electrical issues, kitchen equipment, sound equipment, washing machines, dryers, floor waxers etc. A school is a much bigger operation than you think.

Sure, we could let the food be delivered at any time of the day then. How many people are usually delivering the food? 1? 2? 10? That shouldn’t overwhelm an office in the least. Not a big deal.

As far as HVAC, electrical, kitchen, washing machines, etc.. how many people would you say are working on those things per day, per school? Enough to overwhelm the front office from making sure they don’t have weapons on them? I don’t think so

 

[Grand Vol]

So the dealer runs the background check and takes a small commission or charges a small fee to do the paperwork? If so, that sounds smart. Plus the dealer can help the sale by doing a quick inspection to give some assurance to the buyer it is in proper working order.

There are only two kinds of people more ignorant about firearms than you and luther.

Politicians and gun store clerks.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

And when you purchase/sell a house, car, or land, do you reluctantly abide by all of the title and ownership legalities?

Yes, luther, reluctantly...

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

DTH, I think our disconnect is trying to bend the current format to fit into the "box" we are talking about. A 4473 records the serial number as well as personal data. I'm saying remove the firearms from the process and focus on the individual.

If the type of transaction and serial numbers are removed and just focused on the person's ability to own a firearm (let's say a mental component was added), would you be willing to hear more arguments about it?

Nope. Too much potential for abuse.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Sure, we could let the food be delivered at any time of the day then. How many people are usually delivering the food? 1? 2? 10? That shouldn’t overwhelm an office in the least. Not a big deal.

As far as HVAC, electrical, kitchen, washing machines, etc.. how many people would you say are working on those things per day, per school? Enough to overwhelm the front office from making sure they don’t have weapons on them? I don’t think so

you started with an initial point that all deliveries come through one door. That won't work because you grossly underestimate what it takes to run a large school.

 

[luthervol]

Pleas point to where I have to register or title a car or land transaction. You do for your own protection but there isn't requirement.

Selling a Vehicle in Tennessee
Even though the bulk of your efforts will be spent polishing, marketing, and negotiating, the sale of your car isn't official until you complete the title transfer. Signing over your car title is pretty simple. Both you and the buyer will fill out the information requested on the back of the title certificate—often referred to as the title assignment.

If either of you makes a mistake while filling out the document, you will need to properly correct the error with a notary present. The proper, acceptable method for correcting mistakes is to draw a line through the error and write the correct information in the closest space available. A notarized statement from the offending party must be submitted with your application.

Never erase or whiteout an error anywhere on the certificate of title. Doing so voids the entire document, requiring the owner to order a duplicate title before the transfer can proceed.

Tennessee DOR Paperwork When Selling a Car | DMV.ORG

 

[LouderVol]

All good and reasonable ideas imo

We have metal detectors down here already in some of the rougher schools. If properly monitored, should at least give peace of mind that anyone IN the school will have no weapons. Then we can begin to figure out how to keep people OUT of the school once it starts.

lol. I went to a private high school with monitored videos and patrolling officers. We still got the short bus (private school so only picking up like 10 kids) into the cafeteria without being caught. a couple years before we did that it was the principals car (from his home)

 

[volfanCLT]

you started with an initial point that all deliveries come through one door. That won't work because you grossly underestimate what it takes to run a large school.

This isn’t a 100% my way or the highway proposal that most tend to have in this forum. I’ve stated from the beginning that ideas can shift and shape to make them more effective. It’s an idea. It seems like you are trying for a “gotcha” moment instead of thinking with me, which is your decision I suppose.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to still think that. Sure, it might not be as streamlined as in the past and some delivery guys might have to walk/transport food further than they currently do.

I’ll ask again, how many maintenance and food delivery people are given access to a school on any given day? I think that number is low enough that they could all come through one door. If proven inaccurate, we can look at another idea that might serve the students better. I’m all ears.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There are only two kinds of people more ignorant about firearms than you and luther.

Politicians and gun store clerks.

I almost jumped on it but he replied to you. The last persons opinion I want on a firearm is the one of the person trying to sell it to me. A close second would be the middle dealer who should act like a title agent, a disinterested party to the transaction.

If I need a professional opinion about functionally I have one store I go to. But I don’t stop at the sales desk, I move to the back and find the gunsmith. Plus I would guess the savy dealer would state he has zero opinion on the item being transferred.

 

[hog88]

Selling a Vehicle in Tennessee
Even though the bulk of your efforts will be spent polishing, marketing, and negotiating, the sale of your car isn't official until you complete the title transfer. Signing over your car title is pretty simple. Both you and the buyer will fill out the information requested on the back of the title certificate—often referred to as the title assignment.

If either of you makes a mistake while filling out the document, you will need to properly correct the error with a notary present. The proper, acceptable method for correcting mistakes is to draw a line through the error and write the correct information in the closest space available. A notarized statement from the offending party must be submitted with your application.

Never erase or whiteout an error anywhere on the certificate of title. Doing so voids the entire document, requiring the owner to order a duplicate title before the transfer can proceed.

Tennessee DOR Paperwork When Selling a Car | DMV.ORG

Unless you are putting a tag on a vehicle to drive on public roads you do not have to title it.

 

[Darkman]

Family Who Housed Florida School Shooter Describes the Days Before the Attack

The Wall Street Journal

Zolan Kanno-Youngs 3 hrs ago


Analysis: Why Parkland students are emerging as powerful political voice


The days before Nikolas Cruz allegedly opened fire in a high school in Parkland, Fla., were normal, said James Snead, the man who was housing the 19-year-old.

Two weeks earlier, “he told me this is the best he’s ever felt in his life,” Mr. Snead, 48, said.

Mr. Cruz had lived with the Snead family for only a few months. Mr. Snead and his wife had invited Mr. Cruz, a friend of their son, to move in after his mother died in November.

Mr. Snead, a gun owner, said he required Mr. Cruz to follow house rules. He told Mr. Cruz that he would need his own gun safe for his firearms in order to live with the Sneads. Mr. Cruz owned “five or six guns,” as well as pellet guns, and they were all bought legally, Mr. Snead said.

© Susan Stocker/Associated Press


“He followed [the rules] to the T,” Mr. Snead said. Mr. Snead had what he thought was the only key to the safe, he said. After Wednesday’s shootings, he realized Mr. Cruz had an extra key.

“He definitely had a key to the gun safe I didn’t know about,” Mr. Snead said.


Read more: Family Who Housed Florida School Shooter Describes the Days Before the Attack

 

[Grand Vol]

Some people see gun control as the first step that needs to be taken. In a perfect world, in a country without our particularly violent/rebellious history, I'd say it might be a way to go. But that is not viable. The Founders deemed it important enough to place it on par with the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendment. Freedom from tyranny is paramount, and the 2A provides that avenue if ever needed.

I like to think we can protect our kids, ourselves, and our rights with sensible measures. But I don't think our political climate will allow it.

I can understand why you, Hog, DTH and others are concerned about a UBC system being abused and turned into a registration list. So, think out of the box and take the fear out of it by still achieving what the gun control proponents want in the end. They want to cut out the "gun show loophole" (although not a one can explain it) and require a background check. Got it.

So, take the firearms identification out of it to an extent. Sure, run the serial to make sure it isn't stolen, but the background check should be about the individual, not the item. Records get deleted within a reasonable period (I say 15 days) and everyone should be happy.

Gun grabbers won't be though.

 

[zeppelin128]

Clearwater mentioned that his county has approximately 100,000 students. What is the appropriate number of police forces to patrol this number?

Let's say for argument it is 1 officer per 100 students. That's 1000 new officers for his county alone.

I'll put aside my philosophical issues with police for the moment: how do we pay for that?